Sneak attack and S&S feats

[shilsen]

I had some questions about how some of the feats from Song and Silence would affect sneak attacks, so here they are:

1) A rogue with the Flick of the Wrist and Expert Tactician feats uses the former ability to draw a weapon and make a sneak attack. This triggers Exp. Tactician, and he gets a second attack. Does the second one also benefit from sneak attack damage, or is it just a normal attack?

2) An invisible rogue with Expert Tactician attacks someone, gaining sneak attack damage, since the target loses Dex bonus vs. an invisible attacker. This triggers Exp. Tactician, and he gets a second attack. However, upon making the first attack, he becomes visible, so the target no longer loses the Dex bonus. So does the second one also benefit from sneak attack damage, or is it just a normal attack?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Kershek]

The answers to both are the same. If the opponent is flat-footed, then they are all sneak attacks.

 

[Malin Genie]

Contrariwise, if the opponent is not flat-footed, and you are visible, you cannot Sneak Attack. In both cases you mention, unless there is some other reason for SA to be granted, you do not get SA damage on the second attack (in the first case, FOTW renders the opponent flat-footed vs that one attack; in the second case you are not invisible, so there is no reason for you to deal SA damage.)

 

[Kershek]

Contrariwise, if the opponent is not flat-footed, and you are visible, you cannot Sneak Attack. In both cases you mention, unless there is some other reason for SA to be granted, you do not get SA damage on the second attack (in the first case, FOTW renders the opponent flat-footed vs that one attack; in the second case you are not invisible, so there is no reason for you to deal SA damage.)

Even so, if you are flat-footed at the first attack, wouldn't that mean you're flat-footed until your first action?

 

[shilsen]

Thanks for the responses (despite the lack of consensus ). I figure that in both cases the sneak attack would only apply to the first attack, because the loss of Dex bonus is for the first attack only.