Sneak Attack Question

[Goolpsy]

Only the first, except if he is flaking someone at the same time

 

[Hypersmurf]

I mean, when a rogue makes a melee sneak attack through an invisibility spell, does he only get one attack, or does he get all of his attacks?

He can make all of his attacks, but after the first attack, he is visible, so none of the attacks except the first one are sneak attacks.

-Hyp.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

He can make all of his attacks, but after the first attack, he is visible, so none of the attacks except the first one are sneak attacks.

As a result, Spring Attack suddenly looks like a good idea for just plain invisible rogues.

Brad

 

[Darklone]

As a result, Spring Attack suddenly looks like a good idea for just plain invisible rogues.

Brad

Certainly. Tumble back next to your party tank. The enemy will hopefully charge and bash you with Power Attack. You'll tumble into flanking position, use your PHB2 feats for several Spring Attack attacks and tumble away. Behind your tank buddy, more than 5ft away from the bad guy. Rinse, repeat, survive poor little rogue piercer boy.

 

[Patlin]

Greater Invisibility or Blink don't have that limitation. Shooting at an opponent who is stunned, grappling (though watch the random chance to hit the wrong opponent), blind, or assorted other conditions also work.

-Hyp.

Blacklight is another good one, as is Greater Blink. There are also some abilities now that render an opponent flat footed, such as the martial maneuver Shadow Garrotte.

 

[Folly]

Certainly. Tumble back next to your party tank. The enemy will hopefully charge and bash you with Power Attack. You'll tumble into flanking position, use your PHB2 feats for several Spring Attack attacks and tumble away. Behind your tank buddy, more than 5ft away from the bad guy. Rinse, repeat, survive poor little rogue piercer boy.

While this all sounds nice in theory, the PHB2 feats have some pretty high BAB requirements. This means that mr rogue with his 3/4 bab wont be able to take them until really high level. The majority of the characters life will be spent doing 1 attack.

I prefer the method my party has devised: Rogue gets into position to do damage, but the bad guys tend to ignore her for the moment, since the bear seems far more threatening then a halfling. Then the halfling goes all ginsu and its too late for the mob to do anything (or the halfling ends up with delay death). The other option is that the bear grabs it and the halfling cleans his paws. :-D

Edit: The rogue (a halfling) uses a feat chain from Races of the Wild for the positioning that I spoke of. Underfoot combat and Confound the big folk. I forget which is the first and which is the second. They have a lot of different affects. But to sum it up, it allows her to move under a creature of no less than 2 size categories (normally 3) and the round after the creature becomes flatfooted. It also has a significant number of defensive bonuses as well.

 

[Darklone]

While this all sounds nice in theory, the PHB2 feats have some pretty high BAB requirements. This means that mr rogue with his 3/4 bab wont be able to take them until really high level. The majority of the characters life will be spent doing 1 attack.

Right, it's much better for a Daring Outlaw swashy/rogue.

 

[Folly]

Right, it's much better for a Daring Outlaw swashy/rogue.

Very true.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Certainly. Tumble back next to your party tank. The enemy will hopefully charge and bash you with Power Attack. You'll tumble into flanking position, use your PHB2 feats for several Spring Attack attacks and tumble away. Behind your tank buddy, more than 5ft away from the bad guy. Rinse, repeat, survive poor little rogue piercer boy.

That works if you can't break engagement long enough to turn invisible again. Which, honestly, given action budges, you probably can't.

Heck, Shot on the Run works great with a Ring of Invisibility, assuming you have some terrain to prevent them from getting to you.

I prefer the method my party has devised: Rogue gets into position to do damage, but the bad guys tend to ignore her for the moment, since the bear seems far more threatening then a halfling. Then the halfling goes all ginsu and its too late for the mob to do anything (or the halfling ends up with delay death). The other option is that the bear grabs it and the halfling cleans his paws. :-D

Oh, that works too, though on my rogue, I remember whiffing a lot more than I'd've preferred when doing that.

Brad

 

[Folly]

Oh, that works too, though on my rogue, I remember whiffing a lot more than I'd've preferred when doing that.
Brad

The target being flatfooted because of Confound the big folk helps with the hitting, but you are right whiffing can be disastrous in that situation.