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So, Wandavision?

Omand

Adventurer
Yeah. I saw that not as "she literally could not see them". I think if they had wanted us to get that idea, they'd have shown it explicitly.

Wanda knows little or nothing about magic. She thinks she has superpowers. He is just boggled and scared by the whole situation.
I have to agree.

We as the audience cannot see the runes/spells until Agatha reveals them in that scene either. If they were meant to be visible, and therefore something Wanda should have noticed, then we, the audience, should have been able to see them in advance. This would then contrast our knowledge with what Wanda demonstrates on screen.

The fact that we cannot see the spells until they are revealed to Wanda means they are warded/invisible to the naked eye.

I think Agatha's comment is more supposed to be in the line of "if you were a true witch you would have had your true-seeing spell up at all times to identify spells" or perhaps "if you were a true witch you would have known to expect magical wards around a sanctum such as this amd would have been looking for them."

Cheers :)
 

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MarkB

Legend
I have to agree.

We as the audience cannot see the runes/spells until Agatha reveals them in that scene either. If they were meant to be visible, and therefore something Wanda should have noticed, then we, the audience, should have been able to see them in advance. This would then contrast our knowledge with what Wanda demonstrates on screen.

The fact that we cannot see the spells until they are revealed to Wanda means they are warded/invisible to the naked eye.
They weren't invisible, they just weren't in-shot at that moment. We see them clearly when Wanda first enters the basement the previous episode. She even looks up at them.
 

Omand

Adventurer
They weren't invisible, they just weren't in-shot at that moment. We see them clearly when Wanda first enters the basement the previous episode. She even looks up at them.
Do we? I blame my faulty aging memory then.

I will have to go back and rewatch.

In that case, ignore what I said.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
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Did someone say purple?

I didnt watch it all but iirc the Runaways TV show also had magic users channeling the Dark Dimension manifest purple energy.
However SHEILDS Ghost Rider and Howard Stark opened portals to the Dark dimension manifesting orange (though in Ghost Riders case it might have been fire)

The Dark Dimension gives immortality (explaining Agathas long life) but also madness. Its also the realm of Dormammu - so maybe Mephisto and Dormammu have been merged for the purpose of MCU?


so
Space Stone (blue) - standard magic channeling power from Universe
Reality Stone (red) - Chaos magic transforming reality
Power Stone (purple) - Dark Dimension
Mind Stone (yellow) - Visions power source, maybe the Odinforce?
Time Stone (green) - Eye of Agamotto
Soul Stone (orange) - The Ancient One and Dr Strange manifest orange
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
They weren't invisible, they just weren't in-shot at that moment. We see them clearly when Wanda first enters the basement the previous episode. She even looks up at them.

I thought they came to glow when Agatha spoke about them. How often do you look at dark carvings on walls when you are searching for your missing kids and a witch is assaulting you and tying you up in magical bonds?

Agatha's, "What, nothing?" isn't about Wanda's seeing the runes. It is about Wanda showing no comprehension of them. Agatha at that point is only starting to realize that Wanda's not another witch, and is probing to see what Wanda does or does not know.
 


Rabulias

Adventurer
It would be interesting plot-wise if Agatha is more of a neutral mentor in all this, rather than her enemy.
Like a magical "Scared Straight"? :) It could happen. We would need to see that what Agatha's mother and the coven thought was "bad" was "good," or if Agatha has had an attack of conscience in the last 400 years and is seeking redemption.
 



Like a magical "Scared Straight"? :) It could happen. We would need to see that what Agatha's mother and the coven thought was "bad" was "good," or if Agatha has had an attack of conscience in the last 400 years and is seeking redemption.

Agatha's mother and her coven tried to murder her before she could do bad things. Reminds me of Minority Report. Also, the coven was not at the traditional full size of 13 members. I wonder if that will ever have any more to do with her story?
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Agatha's mother and her coven tried to murder her before she could do bad things. Reminds me of Minority Report. Also, the coven was not at the traditional full size of 13 members. I wonder if that will ever have any more to do with her story?
Iirc there were Seven members of the coven besides Mother Evanora.

so in the comics the Salem Seven were Agatha Harkness grandchildren (all fathered by her son Nicholas Scratch) and each was able to magically transform into a superpowered monstrous form. I had previously thought that Dottie and the ladies at her meeting were the Salem Seven - so maybe they were just a nod or maybe Evanoras coven has been reincarnated (is Dottie the reincarnated Evanora?) - and note that in the comics the Salem Seven did declare Agatha a traitor and eventually burned her at the stake (however - comics)

NB Evanora however doesnt come from the comics, but the name is used for the Wicked Witch of the East in the Oz the Great and Powerful prequel movie
 
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Iirc there were Seven members of the coven besides Mother Evanora.

so in the comics the Salem Seven were Agatha Harkness grandchildren (all fathered by her son Nicholas Scratch) and each was able to magically transform into a superpowered monstrous form. I had previously thought that Dottie and the ladies at her meeting were the Salem Seven - so maybe they were just a nod or maybe Evanoras coven has been reincarnated (is Dottie the reincarnated Evanora?) - and note that in the comics the Salem Seven did declare Agatha a traitor and eventually burned her at the stake (however - comics)

NB Evanora however doesnt come from the comics, but the name is used for the Wicked Witch of the East in the Oz the Great and Powerful prequel movie

In the scene, there are 7 generic witches and Agatha and Agatha's mother, so that is 9 members, as I am pretty sure Agatha was already a member of the coven. Also, I don't know any of what you are saying, if that is supposed to be from the comics, it was from when I was not reading them. Also, none of the recaps or easter egg articles I have read for episode 8 mentioned the coven or the Salem Seven at all.

However, some previous articles have wondered if Westview is supposed to be the MCU version of New Salem. That would explain why Agatha's house is already there and the basement is the way it is. Also, that the Nexus was relocated from Florida to Agatha's basement in Westview, because of all the swampy vines and stuff in it.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
In the scene, there are 7 generic witches and Agatha and Agatha's mother, so that is 9 members, as I am pretty sure Agatha was already a member of the coven. Also, I don't know any of what you are saying, if that is supposed to be from the comics, it was from when I was not reading them. Also, none of the recaps or easter egg articles I have read for episode 8 mentioned the coven or the Salem Seven at all.

However, some previous articles have wondered if Westview is supposed to be the MCU version of New Salem. That would explain why Agatha's house is already there and the basement is the way it is. Also, that the Nexus was relocated from Florida to Agatha's basement in Westview, because of all the swampy vines and stuff in it.

The Salem Seven were introduced in the Fantastic Four comics and yup come from New Salem - it was the Seven who kidnapped Franklin Richards back when Agatha Harkness was acting as his nanny
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
It is possible that puppy was actually a cockroach. However....

She. Killed. Her. Own. Mother.
It's possible that was accidental, though. She didn't look in control of herself at that time. Whatever magic she was in over her head with seemed to be in control of that.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
... I had previously thought that Dottie and the ladies at her meeting were the Salem Seven - so maybe they were just a nod or maybe Evanoras coven has been reincarnated (is Dottie the reincarnated Evanora?)

Too. Much. Plot. We should only be expecting about a half hour more of show in the series.

And, it isn't the Agatha Harkness show, where all things in Agatha's backstory reside. She's an antagonist, not the main character. There are nods, but they aren't likely to be relevant most of the times we see them
 





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