So what does a Wall of Force look like?

[airwalkrr]

I suppose one could argue that the wall of force spell creates a [keyword] object, a wall, which could therefore be seen with see invisibility. I wouldn't interpret it that way, but I wouldn't argue if my DM wanted to interpret it that way. I simply believe it creates a spell effect, which is not technically an object, which therefore can't be seen with the see invisibility spell.

 

[Vegepygmy]

I suppose one could argue that the wall of force spell creates a [keyword] object, a wall, which could therefore be seen with see invisibility. I wouldn't interpret it that way, but I wouldn't argue if my DM wanted to interpret it that way. I simply believe it creates a spell effect, which is not technically an object, which therefore can't be seen with the see invisibility spell.

Would you say that food created by create food and water is an object? Or is that also just a spell effect?

 

[Pergentile]

Invisible magic food ftw.

 

[Phoenix1985]

Cheers all for the replies. I also must mention that when I said "ten minute argument" I may have been pouring on the exaggeration a tad much It was more of a:

Me: You crash into a wall of force.
Him: What? When did you put that up?
Me: I just cast it.
Him: That's bull. You can't just pull out a wall of force without anyone noticing, surely.
Me: Just says 'invisible' in the spell description.
Him: What, that's it? No brief ripple, no 'woosh' when it appears, nothing like that?
Me: Apparently.
Him: That's retarded!
Me: Oh, you're just annoyed I'm owning you so badly.
Him: Shush.

So yeah... more of a 'ten-second exchange' than a 'ten-minute argument' I guess.

 

[airwalkrr]

Would you say that food created by create food and water is an object? Or is that also just a spell effect?

Create food and water is a conjuration first of all, so the food and water it creates is real. Wall of force is an evocation and a force effect. There is no substance to it. My interpretation of the rules is that force effects lack mass and consist of pure magic. Therefore I don't think I would count any force effect as an object for the purposes of game mechanics. Perhaps there is precedent somewhere in the rules for treating things like a wall of force as an object, but I can't recall one.

And as I said, I wouldn't argue with a DM if he wanted to interpret it the other way. I think this is a gray area as far as rules are concerned. And for that matter I don't think it is a very critical point.

 

[Vegepygmy]

My interpretation of the rules is that force effects lack mass and consist of pure magic. Therefore I don't think I would count any force effect as an object for the purposes of game mechanics.

Okay, fair enough. I just wanted to see if you'd thought the matter through. And it looks like you have.

 

[Greenfield]

A Wall of Force? It looks just like any other invisible wall. That is, it's invisible.

Spot checks for it using the same rules as for invisible objects. (We can argue whether it really *is* an object, of course, but mechanically it acts like one, so...)

 

[Thunderfoot]

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Edit: Also, see invisibility wouldn't reveal its presence, as the spell says it allows you to see invisible creatures and objects, but doesn't say anything about invisible spells. Detect magic would allow you to detect the presence and location of the wall if you focused long enough, as would arcane sight and greater arcane sight.

This is my vote.

 

[kitcik]

Put one up in front of a bird feeder and you'll soon find out how invisible it is.