D&D 5E (+) So, what have you done to make martials feel better?

SakanaSensei

Adventurer
Give them a cup of tea and a biscuit. (That's a cookie for our American Cousins.)

Thinking a bit deeper... I do like to have options for any character I play.* So I'd give them manoeuvres and such. Like maybe some sort of feats that give them more options and special abilities. Basically I'd just re-invent DND 3e. Or maybe PF 2e.




*This lack of interesting options is where 5e leaves colder than a dead halibut on an ice flow.
If you're wanting bespoke abilities that tell you exactly what they do, then A5E maneuvers might be what you want. If that's not quite doing it, there's the Mighty Deeds option I posted above. Another article I found today that I think is kinda genius in how simple it is is here: Combat Maneuvers, The Easy Way
 

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Stormonu

Legend
I'd like to see Leadership added as a skill, and give back the fighter the ability to accumulate followers. The Leadership skill should be usable both in combat and the other pillars - organizing individuals, predicting enemy tactics or weaknesses, political use (Persuasion = changing folk's minds, Leadership = getting them to act), bettering troop morale, recruiting followers and the like. I also think it would be a great skill to dangle Warlord/Marshal-like abilities off, where the fighter's Leadership can modify the ebb and flow of a combat as they maneuver or motivate allies, hone in on enemy weaknesses and the like.

Also, fighters - not just Battlemasters - should be the king of Bonus Actions and Reactions. I'd like to see more "hit point damage and a rider effect" options for fighters, utilizing their bonus actions. Also, more defensive options with reactions, especially ways to use armor, weapons or shields in ways most of the other classes can't
 



James Gasik

Legend
I haven't done much yet, because there is a limit to how many house rules I can add to the game before my players start looking lost. I'm still mostly examining the problem to see what the answer is (sadly, the answer is usually "add more magic" to classes, which is what WotC mostly does).

However, I do highly recommend taking a look at Adventures in Rokugan. The Bushi and the Courtier, especially, showcase ways a character without magic can have a blast, and these will be available in my next campaign.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
The class can focus on being a striker/ skirmisher, or a tank, or a support martial, but not all at once, with a limited number of ability slots.
You could probably amalgamate all the things associated with martial characters into one character (as many heroic figures of legend and fiction and myth do) and it still would not be even close to matching the versatility of the caster.
 


Art Waring

Redlined Ratrod
You could probably amalgamate all the things associated with martial characters into one character (as many heroic figures of legend and fiction and myth do) and it still would not be even close to matching the versatility of the caster.
I agree, I think that there is still a lot of design space that is uncharted territory at the moment. Having a mechanically diverse martial character that stands apart from casters, is to me the design goal.
 

You could probably amalgamate all the things associated with martial characters into one character (as many heroic figures of legend and fiction and myth do) and it still would not be even close to matching the versatility of the caster.
I want you to imagine a class that at level 11 gets an extra attack (not 3 extra at 5 11 and 17) but other then that gets everything aa fighter gets (including all weapon and armor prof), AND is both a battlemaster AND a champion... but it has D12HDs, and it gets some sneak attack (1d6 at st level 2d6 at 3rd but after that it is equal to prof... but still need adv or adj ally) and every NOT sneak attack ability of the rogue... now give it every non spell ability of the ranger. Give them Jack of all trades from bard and let it go to saves too...

let there subclass be any ranger or any rouge one (except arcane trickster) keep in mind this would include 2 bonus ASI feat not 4 (so overlap rouge and fighter on this)

this gestalt mega munchkin class would have abilities for exploration, combat, and a ton of skills and good ones even if not prof (jack of all trades) uses for bonus actions, and not only the best HD in the game and best armor in the game, but the ability to as a reaction take half damage...

at 20th level they still would not be as versitle as an okay to good made wizard or cleric...
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Also, fighters - not just Battlemasters - should be the king of Bonus Actions and Reactions. I'd like to see more "hit point damage and a rider effect" options for fighters, utilizing their bonus actions. Also, more defensive options with reactions, especially ways to use armor, weapons or shields in ways most of the other classes can't

I want you to imagine a class that at level 11 gets an extra attack (not 3 extra at 5 11 and 17) but other then that gets everything aa fighter gets (including all weapon and armor prof), AND is both a battlemaster AND a champion... but it has D12HDs, and it gets some sneak attack (1d6 at st level 2d6 at 3rd but after that it is equal to prof... but still need adv or adj ally) and every NOT sneak attack ability of the rogue... now give it every non spell ability of the ranger. Give them Jack of all trades from bard and let it go to saves too...

let there subclass be any ranger or any rouge one (except arcane trickster) keep in mind this would include 2 bonus ASI feat not 4 (so overlap rouge and fighter on this)

this gestalt mega munchkin class would have abilities for exploration, combat, and a ton of skills and good ones even if not prof (jack of all trades) uses for bonus actions, and not only the best HD in the game and best armor in the game, but the ability to as a reaction take half damage...

at 20th level they still would not be as versitle as an okay to good made wizard or cleric...
Nods... or keep some more of the multi-attacks but....
Modify the Maneuvers so they can be paid for or triggered by different methods basically either a bonus action or forfeiting one attack in order to scan for openings. Also let it happen on a crit.

And yes open up the number of reactions would be great... Though I had thought of just making it opportunity attacks and why not an intercept for opportunity movement and similar.

A battle cry that lets you share your initiative with others who have lower initiative and perhaps allow them to use other stats for initiative than Dex *(Wis/Int/Cha)

I also want more one man army going on
more generate temp hit points for self and some true damage reduction in later tiers so that weaker attacks are nullified and open up maneuvers to affecting every enemy in reach or in an area. Make them a master of intimidation regardless of Charisma...

Edit: The top end of what is "allowed"... if you arent using magic is just too low.
 
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Sacrosanct

Legend
Publisher
Sort of related. This is where I've landed with my version of a Basic 5e fighter. Extra challenging because it's a Basic system*, so keeping it simple is the scope, while also trying to keep it from being boring. I've got some fellow ENWorld posters who deserve credit for some of the ideas (in a previous thread we talked about it) :). One of my ideas I like a lot is making Second Wind a fighting style where you can help your allies.

* The rules are 5e streamlined into only the most core framework, so things like bonus actions, concentration, individual skills, and other rules are yanked right out. So keep that in mind when looking at the class.

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