Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[freyar]

Yes on dark jolt in attack lines.

2d6 electricity?

 

[demiurge1138]

I agree with freyar's last post completely.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

Skills: 5 at 24 ranks
Storm giants have Climb, Concentration, Craft (any one), Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Perform (sing), Sense Motive, Spot

Feats: 8 (1 can be epic)
Storm giants have Awesome Blow, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Sunder, Iron Will, Power Attack

 

[freyar]

Climb, Concentration, Intimidate, Listen, Spot.

Storm giant feats plus Ability Focus (dark jolt)?

 

[Shade]

Sure.

Since it gets good Will saves as an undead, I could see dropping Iron Will for the more thematically releveant Lightning Reflexes, or even Epic Reflexes. What do you think?

 

[freyar]

We could drop Imp Sunder or Ability Focus as well and go with both Lightning and Epic Reflexes. Its Ref save could use some help.

 

[demiurge1138]

I'd rather drop Imp. Bull's Rush and Awesome Blow than Imp. Sunder and Ability Focus.

 

[Shade]

What is the benefit of Ability Focus (dark jolt)? The only save is to remove the negative level later, and that hardly seems worth the cost of a feat.

 

[freyar]

True enough. Let's compromise and drop Imp Bull Rush and Ability Focus for the two Ref save boosters.

 

[demiurge1138]

Good thinking.

 

[Shade]

If we drop Imp. Bull Rush, we lose Awesome Blow as well. So, add an additional feat to replace it, or jettison something other than IBR?

 

[freyar]

Arrgh, forgot the prereq there. Well, anyway, I think the feat list it has now looks fine. Let's stick with that.

 

[Shade]

CR 15?

Shall we work on the lesser versions?

 

[freyar]

Sure!

 

[demiurge1138]

I'm not the world's biggest fan of Awesome Blow, but I can let it go. Let's work on the lessers.

I'm also not getting a very undead vibe from these, physical description wise.

 

[Shade]

I'm also not getting a very undead vibe from these, physical description wise.

Suggestions to "deadify" 'em?

10 HD for the lessers? No create spawn? Drop the SLAs (and black lightning, since it would no longer serve a purpose)?

 

[freyar]

That all sounds reasonable for the lessers, though I think black lightning still has some purpose of bypassing electricity resistance.

 

[Shade]

Would it, if they lack any SLAs?

 

[freyar]

Ack, yes, you're right, I thought for some reason you were referring to the spawn ability. I must be tired, yeah, that's it!

 

[Shade]

Updated.

For the lessers, reduce shock to 1d6 damage and dark jolt to 3d6?

We need to drop 2 more feats (I already dropped Awesome Blow and Epic Reflexes, since it won't meet the prereqs): Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Sunder, Lightning Reflexes, Power Attack

Reduce damage reduction to 10/magic?