Special Conversion Thread: Finishing off giants and their kin

[demiurge1138]

Snatch works fine, actually. It's big enough.

Pummel was used for the ogre degenerates in Paizo's Classic Monsters Revisited, although I know we've used it for some giant or troll in this project before.

 

[freyar]

Snatch is fine, I think. But we might make it a bonus feat, you know, to juice these things up.

Didn't we use pummel earlier in this thread?

 

[Shade]

OK, I did some searching. Oddly, we never used pummel. We discussed using it for the sea giant, but the finished product has plain old rend.

If I understand correctly, pummel is simply rend with slam attack, with the added effect of make a Fort save or be dazed for 1 round?

 

[freyar]

After looking around, I only found the sea giant, too. But we did give the sea giant rend with slams.

 

[demiurge1138]

The daze on a save isn't necessary... but I like it.

 

[Shade]

Like so?

Pummel (Ex): If an earth giant hits with both slam attacks, its attacks are especially punished and may knock the opponent senseless. This attack automatically deals an additional xdx+x points of damage, and the victim must succeed on a DC X Fortitude save or be dazed for 1 round. The save DC is Strength-based.

 

[demiurge1138]

Yep! Just need to fill in those Xs.

 

[freyar]

Well the +x should be +33 (Str and a half). The SRD creatures I find with rend (so far troll and gray render) have 1d6 claw damage and 2d6 rend. That's either doubling or two steps improvement. So, since we're starting here with 3d12, what about 4d12+33? That's probably 2 steps.

 

[demiurge1138]

It's doubling.

 

[freyar]

6d12+33, then.

Is there somewhere rend listed as doubling + Str-and-a-half? I couldn't find a general rule in the SRD.