Snarf Zagyg
Notorious Liquefactionist
I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with a martial character just, you know, yelling other characters back to life.
That's probably an un-controversial position. Discuss!
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D&D 5E Spell Versatility is GONE. Rejoice!
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I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with a martial character just, you know, yelling other characters back to life.
That's probably an un-controversial position. Discuss!
Sir Brennen
Adventurer
Probably needs it's own thread for that discussion. With a 4E tag.
Snarf Zagyg
Notorious Liquefactionist
....I'll totally let you start that one.
the Jester
Legend
For me it's more about power creep and the importance of meaningful choices being meaningful.
MoonSong
Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
But they could already do that? (swapping a cantrip. I mean at least under cantrips are spells ruling) Thank you.
Well, there goes another nice thing -that already was a second pick-. Seriously, wizard players, please let us get nice things.
Sir Brennen
Adventurer
OB1
Jedi Master
Didn't really matter to me one way or the other, will be keeping my house rules.
Known Spell Casters - When you level up, you can change a number of your previous known spells equal to your proficiency modifier.
Wizards - You can change your list of prepared spells at any time when you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of wizard spells requires time spent studying your spellbook and memorizing the incantations and gestures you must make to cast the spell: at least 10 minutes per spell level for each spell on your list.
Known Spell Casters - When you level up, you can change a number of your previous known spells equal to your proficiency modifier.
Wizards - You can change your list of prepared spells at any time
akr71
Adventurer
Yes. I primarily DM and if its in my books, then my players think its fair game. Then I have to house rule 'this, but not that' which gets messy and people asking for exceptions. There are third party materials out there to spend my $ on which I'd likely get more use out of.
From previews. leaks and reviews, there were a few more items that I thought were poorly designed and would not want at my table. I may just buy the spells, feats and a handful of classes on D&D Beyond
Undrave
Hero
I recommended they include a sidebar explaining WHY the rule was there (it exists to help players, it's not part of the fiction) instead. But I think a general tip to DMs "Hey, if your players aren't happy with their choice, you can let them re-spec every once in a while" would have been a decent replacement and wouldn't be seen as a 'rule'.
I haven't worked on it in a while (but will soon) but my home-brewed Warlord class has a Psionic themed subclass called the Ardent Soul! The Warlord V4 - The Homebrewery
Nikosandros
Golden Procrastinator
I don't think so, because the rules for changing spells at each level specify that it must be a level for which you have slots.
Elfcrusher
Legend
Since Warlords should really just have the ability to prevent anybody from dying, ever, Raise Dead would be unnecessary.
Player: Spell Versatility killed my dog, gave my sister a kid she wasn't ready to handle, and made my life a living hells. I started snorting grounded up D20s cuz of it. Got so bad that I stoled my kid brothers' D12 for a quick fix. It got what it deserved!!!...-breaks down into tears-
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I know what it feels like when people keep on clipping people's quotes to make them say things they didn't. Really annoying!
I mean, technically they said those letters in that order, so it isn't false, just misleading.
Oh, and don't be too hard on yourself; I'm sure someone needs you.
(I dunno, is this taking the "warlord argument" joke too far? Poll at 11.)
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I really don’t understand this thing where folks are celebrating the loss of a thing that other folks really wanted.DING-DONG the rule is dead!
It's been removed! Not in the book!
DING-DONG the horrible rule is gone!
Yeah, Spell Versatility was never going to see the light of day at our tables. We all thought it was pretty bad.
Like I’ve never in my life had this impulse. What is it?
Spell Versatility, as presented, really came off to me as just lazy design that homogenized classes quite a bit. I mean, a sidebar explaining to new DM's that if players of non-prepared spell casting classes were really disappointed with their spell choice between levels, just let them swap out a spell choice, would have sufficed. It was like saying, "Well, we can't make this work, so we'll just make everybody like the wizard!" Now, one can argue that this is kind of what 5e did with the Sorcerer and spontaneous casting, but at least that was an edition change that presumably gave each class its own identity.
However, I'm not sure if it was design aesthetics or balance polishing that caused the removal or survey results reflecting poorly on the feature that did it in. I suspect the later.
However, I'm not sure if it was design aesthetics or balance polishing that caused the removal or survey results reflecting poorly on the feature that did it in. I suspect the later.
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Sorcerers Apprentice
Adventurer
So you have never celebrated when your favorite sports team won a match, even though the fans of the opposing side really wanted their team to win?
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Not at all the same thing.