D&D 5E Spellcasters and Balance in 5e: A Poll

[Minigiant]

It wasn't made for you. It was made for those people who don't like to "work" when playing a PC and just want a very simple character to play. I've had several players over the years choose basic fighters and refuse to play any sort of spellcaster, because options were too much work and they played to relax.

The problem is that

• The lazy player's warrior
• The wargamers warrior
• The new player's warrior
• The roleplayer's warrior
• The manager's warrior
• The veteran's warrior

are all the same class.

D&D has spellcasters of different levels of complexity and combat/noncombat balance. But we forgot the real world doesn't have magic and everyone in the real world isn't sorted into All Combat Guys or Sneaky Backstabbers.

 

[ECMO3]

Fighters are designed to be 90% Combat Pillar and only allowed to get a minor bonus to a Tertiary Ability Score Checks.

That is not true, that is just the way some people decide to build and play them.

 

[Maxperson]

The problem is that

• The lazy player's warrior
• The wargamers warrior
• The new player's warrior
• The roleplayer's warrior
• The manager's warrior
• The veteran's warrior

are all the same class.

D&D has spellcasters of different levels of complexity and combat/noncombat balance. But we forgot the real world doesn't have magic and everyone in the real world isn't sorted into All Combat Guys or Sneaky Backstabbers.

They may all be the same class(I don't agree, because I view Paladins and Rangers as warriors), but they are not all the same subclass. Having the Champion is not a problem. That's the subclass for the Lazy/new player.

 

[Minigiant]

Already exisits.

Eldritch knight gets to add intelligence to damage with Green Flame blade cantrip and can get expertise through either the prodigy or the skill expert feats.

That's magic, buddy.

I want a warrior who adds Intelligence to damage by analyzing the enemy's attack patterns and weaknesses.

Contrary to popular belief, real warriors can utilize smarts, perception, and heart in combat.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

• The lazy player's warrior
• The wargamers warrior
• The new player's warrior
• The roleplayer's warrior
• The manager's warrior
• The veteran's warrior

All of these things do not even need to be different builds and for those that need to be subclasses exist (and if subclass for specific need doesn't exist, it can be made.)

 

[Minigiant]

That is not true, that is just the way some people decide to build and play them.

No that's how WOTC built fighters. You have to go against common ideas to make your fighter good at areas outside of combat.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

No that's how WOTC built fighters. You have to go against common ideas to make your fighter good at areas outside of combat.

Use all those feats you get for non-combat stuff.

 

[Minigiant]

They may all be the same class(I don't agree, because I view Paladins and Rangers as warriors), but they are not all the same subclass. Having the Champion is not a problem. That's the subclass for the Lazy/new player.

The problem is the subclass for wargamers and the subclass for roleplayers are bound to the same simple chassis as the subclass for lazy players and the subclass for new players.

 

[Minigiant]

Use all those feats you get for non-combat stuff.

Feats are optional and suboptimal until level 6.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Hiya!

This isn't a problem with the "class"...it's a problem with the mindset of the player.

With this statement, it's making the assumption that the person designing the Battlemaster class thought "Ok, now first, he has to SUCK at fighting. Totally useless, or at least as far as fighting goes. Then I can make something so limited that the player would only be able to have actual fun for a couple of rounds, then go back to sucking".

It went more like

"Well, I'd like to make a fighter that does actual interesting things in combat, but the playtesters ruined everything end killed proper superiority dice. Guess I can do the bare minimum of with the smoldering corpse of a previously fun class".

Also people keep insisting that new players can't handle anything more complex than insert tab A (labeled 'Sword') into Slot B (labeled Bag of HP) so they encouraged that by making it a thing. Other games manage to make all their starting builds fun and interesting without this garbage.