[Spoilers] Survivor All Stars - 2/12/04

[John Crichton]

Man, that was kinda creepy, not to mention sad. I made the HUGE mistake of reading that AICN spoiler article up to week 3 so I knew Jenna was gonna pull out but they did a good job of it. Foreshadowed well and they handled it with class.

I look forward to the game resuming next week.

BTW, don't make the mistake I did of reading that spoiler article as it gives away THE WHOLE SEASON!! I'm glad my browser didn't go down that far...

 

[stevelabny]

i never read spoilers for anything i might remotely enjoy.
of course someone mentioned without spoiler tags in the last survivor thread that someone would be pulling out, so whatever.

But now for the rant..

wow, what a loser. ok, so osten is still worse, but jenna isnt much better.
a slap in the face to johnny fairplay or whichever other non-millionaire would have been the next choice if jenna would have just said "I ALREADY have a million dollars, I don't want to do this, its much easier to just sit at home and cry about my mom" But she didnt. She chose to join the game again and owes it to the potential other player, her teammates, Survivor, and the viewers to PLAY the game. I hope everyone who voted for her last time around feels like a complete idiot for giving money to a quitter.

But even though this episode completely sucks due to the letdown of not having an immunity challenge and tribal council for only the 2nd time in show history, it did have two interesting parts.

1> Rupert, who won me over in the first episode last season, than slowly revealed himself to be the biggest possible loser imaginable once again shows his true colors. He comes up with a bad idea, whines about it , gets his way, and then wants to cry when its over. He talks llike hes a nice caring individual but do you notice that EVERYTHING is always about HIM? ugh. someone needs to slap the big bully.

2> Richard Hatch hopefully will finally win over more fans. STILL the best contestant ever and once again showing WHY. Got questions about the heart of the fat naked gay schemer whos out for himself? He gets bitten by a shark and cries less than the others who cant take their bug-bites. It doesn't get any better than Richard Hatch.

Colby and Jerri are both annoying me much less than I would have expected. I want the other Jenna, the LEAST deserving All-Star gone.

Apparently the two Robs won't be joining up, but I can still see them voting first Sue and then Alicia out of the Chapera tribe first. And Rob getting to a merge because he is non-threatening.

 

[Silver Moon]

But even though this episode completely sucks due to the letdown of not having an immunity challenge and tribal council for only the 2nd time in show history.

Yeah, and since the other time was due to a medical emergency I don't think you can count that as the same thing. It will be interesting to see if they decide to tell the survivors after Jenna's mother passes on.

As for Rupert, this tells me he will not be going on very much furher, and the producers are trying to show sides of him that would support the others voting him off, so as not to get the pro-Rupert audience backlash as last time.

Richard Hatch is a hoot! I still don't think he'll make final four, but I get the impression he is primarily playing to the camera to inhance his motivational speaking career, so for him this is a win-win regardless.

 

[DMScott]

i never read spoilers for anything i might remotely enjoy.
of course someone mentioned without spoiler tags in the last survivor thread that someone would be pulling out, so whatever.

The only person who mentioned that in the last thread was me, and I used spoiler tags. Sorry if you couldn't resist the temptation, I figured something that had been fairly heavily reported in the newspapers was OK to mention with tags.

1> Rupert, who won me over in the first episode last season, than slowly revealed himself to be the biggest possible loser imaginable once again shows his true colors. He comes up with a bad idea, whines about it , gets his way, and then wants to cry when its over.

I thought it revealed more about his tribemates - agree to make the cabin, then whine about it when the going gets tough. Same reason they lost the immunity challenge last week - a couple of people change their minds about what to do midway through and start sulking rather than getting back on track. I'm becoming less and less impressed with Ethan each episode - maybe he's just having a bit of bad luck, but any time he tries to do something more complicated than run or swim he seems to screw up.

Apparently the two Robs won't be joining up, but I can still see them voting first Sue and then Alicia out of the Chapera tribe first. And Rob getting to a merge because he is non-threatening.

I think non-dating Rob will be first out if they go to council any time soon. His tribemates don't seem to have a lot of respect for him, and Rob vs. Rob seems to be the main early story for Chapera which suggests it'll be a factor in some way. Alicia has been surprisingly pleasant to most people (at least, so far as we've been shown) and Sue doesn't strike me as any kind of threat at this point so she might be using the same "be obnoxious so people will be comfortable taking you to the end" strategy that Richard seems to be using.

Mogo Mogo is harder to call. The amount of time they're spending on Richard may suggest he's going out early, but the alliance structure that we've seen looks very shaky and that's where Richard does his best work. Once the shock of being down to five wears off, I expect there's going to be some interesting alliance building. Five people doesn't allow any kind of stable structure, and each of them knows they only have to find two allies to control the council.

 

[JoeBlank]

wow, what a loser. ok, so osten is still worse, but jenna isnt much better. a slap in the face to johnny fairplay or whichever other non-millionaire would have been the next choice if jenna would have just said "I ALREADY have a million dollars, I don't want to do this, its much easier to just sit at home and cry about my mom" But she didnt. She chose to join the game again and owes it to the potential other player, her teammates, Survivor, and the viewers to PLAY the game. I hope everyone who voted for her last time around feels like a complete idiot for giving money to a quitter.

I think you are discounting the probability that her mom took a turn for the worse after Jenna had agreed to be on the show, maybe even shortly before she left. So she agrees to do the show, gets all ready for it, and then her mom starts heading downhill. Mom probably says "go, I'll be fine." Jenna thinks she can handle it, but after a time realizes she may have made the biggest mistake of her life. Just hypothesis on my part, maybe the whole story will come out eventually.

For me, I respect her decision, and I bet she is damned glad she made it. Think about it, when your loved one ends up only living for 8 more days, each of those days that you miss becomes so much more important. Perhaps I am biased because my wife lost her mom to cancer a couple of years ago. At least she was able to be there for her. Certainly the most tearful episode of any Survivor for my wife.

Richard Hatch hopefully will finally win over more fans. STILL the best contestant ever and once again showing WHY. Got questions about the heart of the fat naked gay schemer whos out for himself? He gets bitten by a shark and cries less than the others who cant take their bug-bites. It doesn't get any better than Richard Hatch.

On this point I couldn't agree with you more. He is such a cocky SOB, but he knows how to play the game.

 

[ASH]

That was the most boring episode of survivor ever.

I do not think that Rupert was in any way a bully. I did not see him forcing his opinion, he just said what he wanted and then Jerry disagreed with him.
The argument that Jerry brought up was a great argument, but Jenna, and Ethan just sat there not saying a word in favor of either and Jerry backed down. So they are at fault too. If they did not agree they should have spoke up. Rupert is stubborn, but not a bully. If you listened carfully after the challenge was over, he apoligized for making a mistake.

I was annoyed at Jenna leaving. There were others that could have taken her place. But she was not nearly as bad as Osten. He quit because he was a weak person. She quit because she was needed elsewhere.
Jonny Fairplay would have never been asked to be on this show. Probst talked about it on Bob and Tom, a morning radio show. He said that Jon was the foulest rudest person, and that if has anything to do with the selections, Jon would NOT be among them.

Richard showed some personallity in this episode. I still dislike him, but he knows the game.

 

[Arnwyn]

I hope everyone who voted for her last time around feels like a complete idiot for giving money to a quitter.

No kidding. I would have been more sympathetic if she didn't have a history of whining and wanting to quit.

It doesn't get any better than Richard Hatch.

Damn straight.

However, for Rupert - I agree with ASH... he seems more stubborn than a bully.

 

[DMScott]

I do not think that Rupert was in any way a bully. I did not see him forcing his opinion, he just said what he wanted and then Jerry disagreed with him. The argument that Jerry brought up was a great argument, but Jenna, and Ethan just sat there not saying a word in favor of either and Jerry backed down.

I actually think they were stuck no matter which way they went - they only had about 2'-3' high walls by nightfall, they would've had the crisis after sunset regardless.

Jonny Fairplay would have never been asked to be on this show.

Mark Burnett has said (in a TV Guide interview, if memory serves) Jon would've been asked if they'd known how big the reaction to him was going to be. All the selections were made long before Jon's big lie aired, they didn't expect people to hate him so much - ratings trump any personal differences Probst or the rest of the crew might have had with him.

 

[Ghostwind]

Jon Fairplay will likely be on All-Stars 2, given how strong the ratings have been for this one. Although the incident is certainly sad, the fact that Jenna even said she made a bad decision agreeing to the show a second time around seems to validate that her mom was pushing her to go. I don't know if they will, but I think they should show Jeff telling everyone that Jenna's mom passed after she made it home in time. All in all, I think everyone else in the group handled the situation with class by not openly condemning Jenna, but rather saying they would or would not have handled it differently.

My respect for Richard goes up with each episode. Another stunt like the shark one and his whole tribe will be practically fawning over him. He is playing the game like a deep sea fisherman toys with his catch, wearing him down before reeling him in. Gonna be interesting to watch in the next couple of weeks...

 

[stevelabny]

few things:

1> dm scott. know what. youre right. sorry. the problem wasnt not using spoiler tags. it was the fact that if you read the response when it shows up in your e-mail as i often do, you can see through the tags. and thats why i never said anything on the thread, but late last night I couldnt remember why i already knew what was happening. my mistake.

2> as for rupert being a bully. he hasnt acted bully-ish this season, just annoying, but he definately showed signs of it last year.

3> joe black, i dont think someone kowing someone whos died of cancer should make them any more or less sympathetic. by this point dont we all know someone whos died of cancer? my mom died of cancer too. if anything, dying of a slow disease sucks for the person with it, but it should be able to mentally prepare the people around them. I dont buy the "mom got worse at the last minute" thing. Anytime mom got worse up until her getting on the plane, Jenna couldve cancelled and CBS wouldve called Mr Fairplay and he wouldve been on the first flight out.