Spring Attack and Charge?

[kmdietri]

Simple question, probably asked and answered several times before.

Can you move after a charge if you have the spring attack feat?

Thanks

 

[ksbsnowowl]

No, you cannot.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Nope.

A charge is a full-round action which lets you move up to twice your movement in a straight line and attack once.

Spring attack lets you make a single melee attack (a standard action) in the middle of a normal move (a move action).

The two are incompatible.

CHARGE
Charging is a special full-round action that allows you to move up to twice your speed and attack during the action. However, it carries tight restrictions on how you can move.

Benefit: When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

You could in 3.0, but you cannot in 3.5.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

How'd that work, RC?

Charge [Full][AoO: No]
Description: The character must move before attacking, not after. The character must move at least 10 feet and may move up to double base speed. All movement must be in a straight line, with no backing up allowed. The charge stops as soon as the character threatens the target. A character can't run past the target and attack from another direction.
After moving, the character may make a single melee attack or a bull rush. The character gets a +2 bonus on the attack roll. The character also suffers a -2 penalty to AC for 1 round.

and ...

Spring Attack [General]
Prerequisites: Dex 13+, Dodge, Mobility, base attack bonus +4 or higher.
Benefit: When using the attack action with a melee weapon, the character can move both before and after the attack, provided that the character's total distance moved is not greater than the character's speed. Moving in this way does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender the character attacks. The character can’t use this feat if the character is in heavy armor.

Note that, in 3.0, a standard action included a partial action and a move, and the attack action was a standard action.

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

There is ambiguity whether an attack action is part of a charge. Is an attack an attack action? Under the 3.0 rules as I read them I could see it either way. Action was a poorly defined term (and still is although less so) and inconsistently used. Just the phrasing of a standard action as a move action plus an attack action sounds a lot like 1=1+1, if you get my drift.

This had been discussed many times on these boards in the days of 3.0. It was not entirely uncontroversial, but allowing Charge with Spring Attack seemed to a very common ruling -- almost certainly the majority position.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Even with these lines - "The character must move before attacking, not after ... The charge stops as soon as the character threatens the target." - there was controversy?

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

So? Spring Attack as written in 3.0 did not actually require you to move before and after the attack. Look at the wording changes from 3.0 to 3.5 carefully and consider why they made those changes.

 

[mikebr99]

So? Spring Attack as written in 3.0 did not actually require you to move before and after the attack. Look at the wording changes from 3.0 to 3.5 carefully and consider why they made those changes.

Heh... yeah, it was just a way to charge without the AoO.

Mike

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

So? Spring Attack as written in 3.0 did not actually require you to move before and after the attack. Look at the wording changes from 3.0 to 3.5 carefully and consider why they made those changes.

AHAH!!!

I see what you're saying now. You were saying that, in 3.0, you could charge your opponent while spring attacking (and thus negating AoOs), stop at the appropriate place, and attack.

I *thought* you were saying that, in 3.0, you could charge your opponent while spring attacking (and thus negating AoOs), stop at the appropriate place, attack, and keep moving.

I see what you're saying, now.