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Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

MarkB

Legend
A supernova would make life in the nearby systems impossible but it would be years for the radiation to get there. Their evaluation would have years of planning.
In our universe that's certainly the case. In Trek it might get more complicated, if some of that energy breaks through into warp speeds or subspace and can thus propagate faster than light.
 

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Janx

Hero
Thanks for the additional info. I still don't buy Maddox as the Mars mastermind.

He was more of controlling boyfriend lusting over Data, and I hope in the 24th century, he got counseling and learned healthier relationship skills. in the end, he really wanted to create cybernetic life.

That said, who authorized chopping up B4? He might have been the less-able of Soong offspring, but was chopping him up appropriate?
 

Rabulias

Adventurer
Dahj-Mom hasn't called the other daughter out of concern
I am wondering if "Mom" was just a construct in Dahj's head. It would explain how she knew about Picard.

Even so, a better issue to raise about Soji is why did Dahj not try to warn her sister? Or mention Soji when Picard is telling her she's a synthetic? Either "I can't be a synthetic - I have a twin sister!" or "If I'm a synthetic then my twin sister must be one too!" Or maybe Dahj did not know about Soji?
 

cbwjm

I can add a custom title.
I am wondering if "Mom" was just a construct in Dahj's head. It would explain how she knew about Picard.

Even so, a better issue to raise about Soji is why did Dahj not try to warn her sister? Or mention Soji when Picard is telling her she's a synthetic? Either "I can't be a synthetic - I have a twin sister!" or "If I'm a synthetic then my twin sister must be one too!" Or maybe Dahj did not know about Soji?
I did think that was a little weird because Soji knew she had a twin. Maybe Dahj was still a little averse to letting Picard know everything about her.

I wonder if the romulans that attacked Dahj are wanting to know the secrets of synthetics to rebuild the romulan race.
 

MarkB

Legend
That said, who authorized chopping up B4? He might have been the less-able of Soong offspring, but was chopping him up appropriate?
Bear in mind that all synthetics were banned in the wake of the Mars incident. Disassembly was probably the least bad option for B4 at that point.
 

Hussar

Legend
Y'know, that's a point. In Trek, Data was granted full citizenship. That was where we first met Maddox in that episode. Would the other synthetics not also be granted full citizenship? Which means they would be considered "alive" and "people". IOW, not subject to being disassembled.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Y'know, that's a point. In Trek, Data was granted full citizenship. That was where we first met Maddox in that episode. Would the other synthetics not also be granted full citizenship? Which means they would be considered "alive" and "people". IOW, not subject to being disassembled.
What can be given can be taken away.
 

Hussar

Legend
What can be given can be taken away.
Again, this paints the Federation in a very, very sinister light. If they can revoke something like someone's "alive" status, that is a horrible precedent. We're talking straight up Nazi playbook here. Data's status as a lifeform wasn't really something that could be revoked.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Again, this paints the Federation in a very, very sinister light. If they can revoke something like someone's "alive" status, that is a horrible precedent. We're talking straight up Nazi playbook here. Data's status as a lifeform wasn't really something that could be revoked.
I didn't say it was nice, just that it was possible. I mean, what's your alternative explanation for what happened? Murdering them without revoking citizenship doesn't make it better.
 

MarkB

Legend
Y'know, that's a point. In Trek, Data was granted full citizenship. That was where we first met Maddox in that episode. Would the other synthetics not also be granted full citizenship? Which means they would be considered "alive" and "people". IOW, not subject to being disassembled.
One of the episode's plot points is that Data was the only example of a truly sentient android. Perhaps the others didn't meet the requirements - not even B4
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Laws can be changed and in any event Data wouldn't really count in terms of human rights.

Citizenship in the modern era can also be revoked for a variety of reasons.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
One of the episode's plot points is that Data was the only example of a truly sentient android. Perhaps the others didn't meet the requirements - not even B4
Agreed on that. They took specific pains to state that those Synthetics weren't up to the Soong Brothers' standard.
 

shawnhcorey

Explorer
Just to change the subject, according to the comics, Laris and Zhaban, the two Romulans living with Picard, were former Tal Shiar. That means they weren't his servants but his self-appointed bodyguards.
 



MarkB

Legend
We're only one episode in. I think it's a little early to start accusing the show of neglecting to cover characters' backstories.
 

Janx

Hero
We're only one episode in. I think it's a little early to start accusing the show of neglecting to cover characters' backstories.
Agreed. Which is why I listed the "facts" as we know them. There's enough to chew on to make guesses about the future (like whether Maddox is the Mars bad guy).
 

shawnhcorey

Explorer
We're only one episode in. I think it's a little early to start accusing the show of neglecting to cover characters' backstories.
Such drama. Nobody is accusing. I thought it would be interesting to think about Laris and Zhaban as more than simple servants. But if you don't want to speculate here, I'll start another thread.
 

MarkB

Legend
Such drama. Nobody is accusing. I thought it would be interesting to think about Laris and Zhaban as more than simple servants. But if you don't want to speculate here, I'll start another thread.
Sorry, I neglected to include a quote. I was responding to Morrus's post, not yours.
 


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