Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Season 3 Viewing (Spoilers)

[MarkB]

In other news, my Gorn theory…

The type of Gorn in Arena (in TOS) is a new type which comes from a human-Gorn fusion resulting from Batel’s infection.

Though I have heard some folks point out that the Arena Gorn is called a Gorn by the (Metrons?) not by the Enterprise crew, and Kirk’s log says “the creature that the (Metrons?) call a Gorn”. Maybe he means that as in why are they calling this creature a Gorn? I’ve seen them and they don’t look like this!

My theory is that, since they've now been put into a hibernation cycle, that Gorn from Arena was just really groggy from having only just woken up.

 

[pukunui]

Questions I'm still pondering:

What was that device Spock was holding in front of his face that enabled him to see the orbs in the well? Why couldn't he see them without the device? The answer to this second question is likely that they were in a different dimension or whatever - but if that is the case, why could that device allow him to see the orbs but not his crewmates?

Why, when Spock looked at the orb that floated up, did he see the same little monster screeching at him that he saw when he mind-melded with Batel? In the latter instance, was he seeing Batel's Gorn DNA's embedded genetic memory of the Vezda, or are the Vezda in the orbs perhaps proto-Gorn? Are the Vezda and the Gorn related somehow? Could the Gorn be, say, genetically engineered versions of the Vezda designed to hunt and exterminate them? Or were the Gorn originally designed as host bodies for the Vezda "spirits"?

I like the mysteries this episode introduced! I wonder if we will find out more about the origins of the Gorn, the Vezda, and maybe even the Q by the time SNW ends. (I understand we're getting 1.5 more seasons after this one.)

Whatever the Vezda are, they're so ancient that not even Pelia knew about them. (The fact that the technology powering the Vezda's prison hasn't broken down after millions of years is remarkable!)

 

[James Gasik]

Whatever the Vezda are, they're so ancient that not even Pelia knew about them. (The fact that the technology powering the Vezda's prison hasn't broken down after millions of years is remarkable!)

Ancient tech in the Trek universe is built to last! There's lots of examples, the Guardian of Forever, the Doomsday Machine, The Oracle (TOS: "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"), Portal 63 (the Tkon guardian from TNG: "The Last Outpost", at least 60 thousand years old!), The Arbiters of Life (SNW: "Children of the Comet, who the Shepherds, a species more advanced than the Federation, believed were responsible for the genesis of their kind, protected), and so on.

The Arbiters might even be the means the Progenitors used to seed humanoid life, or they might be the source of the technology the Progenitors found that allowed them to do so.

Your call on which of these is oldest, of course.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Interesting ideas.

This would fall under the category of things where the SNW producers and writers are skirting the line of breaking continuity/canon, but not really doing so. The TOS Gorn certainly does look different from (although not totally, the eyes are the same) the ones we have seen in SNW.

New Gorn? Perhaps.

Cheers

I think the gorn are supposed to look the same but upgraded from rubber suit. Like the Enterprise doesn’t look quite the same because modern VFX.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

My theory is that, since they've now been put into a hibernation cycle, that Gorn from Arena was just really groggy from having only just woken up.

The aliens who set the arena test might have weaked the gorn to make it fairer.

They seemed interested in testing intellect and morality, not physical power.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Also “I don’t answer to Starfleet” or whatever it was Korby said when arguing whether to stay or go. When you’re part of a Starfleet away team, from a Starfleet starship, using Starfleet equipment and resources, risking Starfleet officers’ lives…. yes, you do answer to Starfleet.

And why were people arguing so hard not to step outside and report in to the Enterprise? No! We must not inform the ship we found some dead bodies! We will fight that idea vigorously! It is very important that we do not go 30 feet over there through that door and send a message to the ship!

I can see plenty of real world scientists being snippy about military escorts, and it’s a common enough trope in fiction. It’s also consistent with Korby’s character in TOS.

 

[Ryujin]

Questions I'm still pondering:

What was that device Spock was holding in front of his face that enabled him to see the orbs in the well? Why couldn't he see them without the device? The answer to this second question is likely that they were in a different dimension or whatever - but if that is the case, why could that device allow him to see the orbs but not his crewmates?

Why, when Spock looked at the orb that floated up, did he see the same little monster screeching at him that he saw when he mind-melded with Batel? In the latter instance, was he seeing Batel's Gorn DNA's embedded genetic memory of the Vezda, or are the Vezda in the orbs perhaps proto-Gorn? Are the Vezda and the Gorn related somehow? Could the Gorn be, say, genetically engineered versions of the Vezda designed to hunt and exterminate them? Or were the Gorn originally designed as host bodies for the Vezda "spirits"?

I like the mysteries this episode introduced! I wonder if we will find out more about the origins of the Gorn, the Vezda, and maybe even the Q by the time SNW ends. (I understand we're getting 1.5 more seasons after this one.)

Whatever the Vezda are, they're so ancient that not even Pelia knew about them. (The fact that the technology powering the Vezda's prison hasn't broken down after millions of years is remarkable!)

Spock picked up that 'viewer' from one of the bodies they found.

 

[Morrus]

On Korby, well that is just playing to the established character from TOS who was indicated in dialogue and action to be a fiercely independent researcher who protected his work. One might even say egotistical?

I think I recall in the TOS episode he uses a similar line about not answering to Starfleet, but it has been some time since I saw that episode.

Sure. He can say that. At which point Spock should reply "Yes, you do. You do not have the authority to put Starfleet lives at risk and override Starfleet procedures. We are stepping outside to make the call."

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Sure. He can say that. At which point Spock should reply "Yes, you do. You do not have the authority to put Starfleet lives at risk and override Starfleet procedures. We are stepping outside to make the call."

This is before the Galileo shuttle crash. Spock isn’t a very assertive commander yet. He hasn’t learned how to butt heads with stubborn arrogant scientists yet.

 

[pukunui]

Spock picked up that 'viewer' from one of the bodies they found.

Ah. I missed that. Thanks.