Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker Trailer

pukunui

Adventurer
I’m disappointed they didn’t go with “From His Nap” for the title of this episode. ;)

I know people are saying Rey’s leap looks like a training thing because Kylo could’ve just strafed her but it looks to me like she’s going to try and slice the TIE open with her lightsaber.

Also, what if the grand adventure is all about Rey going to retrieve a khyber crystal from the ruins of the Death Star super laser in order to rebuild the Skywalker lightsaber? She can’t just go to Ilum since all signs point to it having been converted into Starkiller Base. (I wish they’d officially confirm/deny that instead of leaving it a mystery.)
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I always thought the name of the moon was Endor, not the name of the planet. I don't know that the planet was ever named in the movie. I think maybe in one of the novels or comics, but those no longer count.

I don't see why it couldn't have an ocean, other than that it breaks from traditional Star Wars tropes of each planet being primarily one type of environment....a desert planet, a city planet, an ice planet, and so on. Obviously, the single environment planets are silly when you give it any thought, so it'll be interesting to see how they handle that. If it's not the moon of Endor, then I don't see why a large chunk of the Death Star couldn't have been propelled from the explosion and wound up landing on another system.

But I think that it's definitely the Death Star wreckage; the location of Palpatine's death, combined with his laughter as voice over, with Luke saying "no one's ever really gone....." makes it a pretty sure thing to me.
Of course, sometimes trailers lie.

In case they don't, here is my questionable prediction:

At some point in the past, Kylo Ren realized that the Emperor was not actually dead, and he was manipulating Snoke (and maybe Kylo) to serve his bidding. It could be Kylo knew the moment he felt the Dark Side temptation and basically did the same thing Luke Skywalker did in the old EU's Dark Empire plotline, indulging the Dark Side so that eventually he could resist and beat Palpatine. Or he only got wise on it much later.
Rey's parents were indeed nobodies - she was a force birth, just like Anakin Skywalker, created by Palpatine, but unlike Shmi, they didn't realize anything was amiss, since they actually had sex as romantic partners sometimes do. They might still have been irresponsible :):):):):):):)s, though, but maybe Palpatine manipulated them to abandon their child. Palpatine needs to be sure that Rey forms no strong attachments, no father and mother figures can be allowed to survive. That's why Kylo had to kill his father, because he became a surrogate father to Rey, and why Luke Skywalker had to die eventually (since exile clearly was insufficient.)
Rey is supposed to become Palpatine's next vessel to return from the dead. So far she has proven very strong in the force.

Kylo Ren looks like a neat little tool for him so far, but in truth, he is really trying to finish what his grandfather, Darth Vader, started, and kill the Emperor for good. This might require a last battle against Rey (possibly possessed by the Emperor), and this time, he finally has to win.

Obviously, that involves heavy retconning and will likely not stand up to close scrutiny - but, to be unfair, that has never stopped J.J.Abrams. :p
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
If Palpatine survived in any form what I question--aside from just the improbableness--is the time gap...what is it, 30 years? What has he been doing?

The new body for Palpatine thing is intriguing.
I don't think I can account for all of those 30 years, but for half the time he might have been playing Holonet Chess with Luke. (Luke didn't know, because he separated himself from the force, he was playing against a bantha unicorn.)
 

MarkB

Hero
In the fiction Darth Plagueis was of the belief he had conquered Death and was more or less celebrating the fact when Darth Sideous poisoned him. Snoke (awful terrible dreadful name) could have been Darth Plagueis reincarnated, and his death in The Last Jedi (shocking film) could have been some crazy sith test of layalty - having been killed by his apprentice previously and all that.
Snoke isn't a great name, but I do find it amusing that you criticise it in the same paragraph as talking about Darth Plagueis. Sith names aren't exactly subtle, but that one vies with "Doctor Evil" for on-the-nose I'm-the-villain naming.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
Of course, sometimes trailers lie.

In case they don't, here is my questionable prediction:

At some point in the past, Kylo Ren realized that the Emperor was not actually dead, and he was manipulating Snoke (and maybe Kylo) to serve his bidding. It could be Kylo knew the moment he felt the Dark Side temptation and basically did the same thing Luke Skywalker did in the old EU's Dark Empire plotline, indulging the Dark Side so that eventually he could resist and beat Palpatine. Or he only got wise on it much later.
Rey's parents were indeed nobodies - she was a force birth, just like Anakin Skywalker, created by Palpatine, but unlike Shmi, they didn't realize anything was amiss, since they actually had sex as romantic partners sometimes do. They might still have been irresponsible :):):):):):):)s, though, but maybe Palpatine manipulated them to abandon their child. Palpatine needs to be sure that Rey forms no strong attachments, no father and mother figures can be allowed to survive. That's why Kylo had to kill his father, because he became a surrogate father to Rey, and why Luke Skywalker had to die eventually (since exile clearly was insufficient.)
Rey is supposed to become Palpatine's next vessel to return from the dead. So far she has proven very strong in the force.

Kylo Ren looks like a neat little tool for him so far, but in truth, he is really trying to finish what his grandfather, Darth Vader, started, and kill the Emperor for good. This might require a last battle against Rey (possibly possessed by the Emperor), and this time, he finally has to win.

Obviously, that involves heavy retconning and will likely not stand up to close scrutiny - but, to be unfair, that has never stopped J.J.Abrams. :p
I also had the Rey is a fragment of Palpatine idea. He creates a new vessel with the intention of taking a new body. Rey going dark via Palpatine possession is somewhat interesting. Rey being a fragment of someone else would also explain a few things. Its kind of been done before (Dark Empire, Exar Kun) but the execution could be interesting. Palapatine surviving as a spirit makes the most sense and has been done in the old and new canon with Sith.

The two endings I don't want.

1. Kylo redeems, sacrificing himself in the process.
2. Rey cuts Kylo down.

Sith spirits are kinda like undead, Jedi force ghosts are more like ascended beings or some kind of celestial.
 
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MarkB

Hero
I think it'll turn out that Palpatine survived by splitting his essence off into five physical vessels scattered across the galaxy. Anakin's old lightsaber was one, and when it broke it released part of his essence, which is why he's back now.

In order to defeat him for good, the heroes need to find a way to destroy the other four items - known as Holocruxes - by methods so thorough that his remaining spirit-fragments are also consumed, rather than being released back out into the galaxy.
 

Satyrn

Villager
I think it'll turn out that Palpatine survived by splitting his essence off into five physical vessels scattered across the galaxy. Anakin's old lightsaber was one, and when it broke it released part of his essence, which is why he's back now.

In order to defeat him for good, the heroes need to find a way to destroy the other four items - known as Holocruxes - by methods so thorough that his remaining spirit-fragments are also consumed, rather than being released back out into the galaxy.
Kinda like the Infinity stones? Ooh! We could have a crossover!

Darth Thanos.
 
Snoke isn't a great name, but I do find it amusing that you criticise it in the same paragraph as talking about Darth Plagueis. Sith names aren't exactly subtle, but that one vies with "Doctor Evil" for on-the-nose I'm-the-villain naming.
Let's be honest, by and large they're downright silly. Star Wars doesn't exactly excel in the naming department - especially on the dark side of things. Darth Plagueis might be the worst of all, but some honorable mentions include Snoke, Darth Maul (kewl, but silly), Captain Phasma. Even Darth Sidious is kinda silly.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
Sidious made me think that the system behind Sith names is: Find a word starting with In, and then delete the In.

- Darth Vader = Invader
- Darth Sidious = Insidious

Logical Consequence:
- Darth Voluntary
- Darh Terim
- Darth Able
- Darth Articulate
- Darth Caved
- Darth Dent
- Darth Oculation
- Darth Side
- Darth Tractable
- Darth Continent

Unfortunately, Darth Maul and Plaegius suggest this is not canon. What a shame.
 

Istbor

Explorer
Sidious made me think that the system behind Sith names is: Find a word starting with In, and then delete the In.

- Darth Vader = Invader
- Darth Sidious = Insidious

Logical Consequence:
- Darth Voluntary
- Darh Terim
- Darth Able
- Darth Articulate
- Darth Caved
- Darth Dent
- Darth Oculation
- Darth Side
- Darth Tractable
- Darth Continent

Unfortunately, Darth Maul and Plaegius suggest this is not canon. What a shame.
I'd claim myself as Darth Side any day.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
It's find an edgy name and stick Darth in front of it. Darth Bane, Talone, Stryfe, Wyrlock. Z, Xs and Latin is also popular eg Caedus, Zannah etc.
 

Eltab

Villager
re: Palpatine's laughter

I think I would rather have a Foundation-like scene* where one of the current characters finds an old recording of Palpatine foretelling the future - because he has looked ahead with the Force - and concludes with something like "Now, child, you know what you must do. -cackling laughter-" His prediction is mostly spot-on but the differences (because 'always in motion the future is') suggest how to avoid the doom he foretells.

* In Asimov's original trilogy, look for a chapter that is set at the Second Foundation's time vault and includes a hologram that begins by saying "I am Hari Seldon!"
 

Jester David

Adventurer
Ugh.

I was there until the laugh. We don’t need Palpatine back. He adds nothing. His story is over.
This is going to be more Abrams nostalgia-as-a-crutch BS...

I’m still going to see this in theaters, but it will be on week three. Unless I get busy, then I might wait to PPV.
 
Ugh.

I was there until the laugh. We don’t need Palpatine back. He adds nothing. His story is over.
This is going to be more Abrams nostalgia-as-a-crutch BS...

I’m still going to see this in theaters, but it will be on week three. Unless I get busy, then I might wait to PPV.
I hear you, although let's face it: that's what Abrams does best. Has he brought forth anything vaguely original? Furthermore, at this point it might a matter of choosing the best of not-great options, as far as who the final (and "real") villain really is. Kylo Ren simply isn't convincing, and I think is more evocative as a troubled (and possibly redeemed?) soul. Snoke would have been more interesting if he hadn't simply been a caricature of Pure Evil, and also had some grounding in the Star Wars universe. Plus, an actual actor vs. CGI over Gollum.

I don't love bringing Palpatine back, but I must admit to being curious as to how they're going to connect the dots. At the very least it implies that there are more revelations to come, beyond "Snoke was some random evil dude from far away who could use the force, manipulated Kylo Ren, and now we have to deal with Kylo Ren."
 

Istbor

Explorer
Anyone have thoughts on how much time will have passed between VIII and IX??

I am going to guess... at least a year.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Let's be honest, by and large they're downright silly. Star Wars doesn't exactly excel in the naming department - especially on the dark side of things. Darth Plagueis might be the worst of all, but some honorable mentions include Snoke, Darth Maul (kewl, but silly), Captain Phasma. Even Darth Sidious is kinda silly.
I don’t think Phasma is a particularly silly name, and Captain is just a rank.

As for the Darths, at least these are chosen names, which represent their self perception and give a window into what sort of antagonist they are.

Vader is fun, bc it’s a somewhat violent sounding name, almost imposing on its own, especially when it’s “Lord Vader”, and Vader uses his imposing size and the constant threat of sudden violence to cow people and terrify enemies.

Maul is definately a name an angry angry violent berseker of a young man chose for himself. It’s perfect.

Tyrranus is so dumb I hate it, and the character is a total waste of Christopher Lee, but it also fits as a name chosen by Duuku. (Which is a bad name. I’d want a new one, too!)

then we get Darth Sidius. They took insidious and make it focus harder of the snakey “s” sounds. I mean, again, a lovely name to have as a very private joke with yourself as you infiltrate and rot from within the core the greatest institution that has ever existed, inventing catastrophic war while brokering peace. No wonder he’s so smug all the time!

But Palagius or whatever is still a dumb name.
 

Satyrn

Villager
Sidious made me think that the system behind Sith names is: Find a word starting with In, and then delete the In.

- Darth Vader = Invader
- Darth Sidious = Insidious

Logical Consequence:
- Darth Voluntary
- Darh Terim
- Darth Able
- Darth Articulate
- Darth Caved
- Darth Dent
- Darth Oculation
- Darth Side
- Darth Tractable
- Darth Continent

Unfortunately, Darth Maul and Plaegius suggest this is not canon. What a shame.
I'm assuming Darth Dent's story began when he escaped the destruction of Alderaan by hitchhiking aboard the Death Star.
 

Jester David

Adventurer
I hear you, although let's face it: that's what Abrams does best. Has he brought forth anything vaguely original?
No. That's why I was disappointed he was back as director. But I was hopeful he'd try harder and bring his A-game.
Instead…
Rey rebuilds the destroyed lightsaber exactly like it was.
And Kylo is back in his lame performance-hiding helmet.
And we're returning to a planet we've seen before. Or two.
And now the villain seems to be recycled.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but now my expectations are loooooow.

Furthermore, at this point it might a matter of choosing the best of not-great options, as far as who the final (and "real") villain really is. Kylo Ren simply isn't convincing, and I think is more evocative as a troubled (and possibly redeemed?) soul.
Which makes Palpatine returning more of a problem.
This was Ren's movie. He was the big bad. It was his time to shine, restoring him as a menacing threat and a worthy villain. But having to share the spotlight as villain with Palpatine just makes it harder for him stand out.

I don't want to see him redeemed. Because we saw that already with Anakin. We've done that story.
And ending the film with him alive doesn't end the Skywalker saga. He needs to die and the bloodline needs to end. There needs to be finality.

Snoke would have been more interesting if he hadn't simply been a caricature of Pure Evil, and also had some grounding in the Star Wars universe. Plus, an actual actor vs. CGI over Gollum.
Snoke would have been more interesting if he wasn't just "The Emperor Redux". Making him CGI was at least something different.
The most interesting and original thing Snoke could have done was die suddenly.

I don't love bringing Palpatine back, but I must admit to being curious as to how they're going to connect the dots.
There are cool things they could do.

It'd be interesting to have Palpatine be a Force Ghost, whispering evil suggestions and guidance to Kylo in a twisted reflection of Luke and Ben.
But I seriously doubt they'll go that route.

(But it'd be neat to have a Force Ghost battle between Luke and Palpatine. Possibly with Anakin there too. Having the protagonists of all three trilogies duel it out with a Kylo Ren infused with Ghost Palpatine would be a lovely end to the Saga. But that also feels like cheap fan service.)

At the very least it implies that there are more revelations to come, beyond "Snoke was some random evil dude from far away who could use the force, manipulated Kylo Ren, and now we have to deal with Kylo Ren."
I don't mind that simplicity. Because there's still the Knights of Ren and possibly rebuilding the Jedi or something new. And defeating the First Order. This should focus on wrapping up the plot threads, and not adding more.

I thought The Last Jedi set-up a decent conflict, with the Resistance shattered and going to ground. The First Order largely unopposed, but vulnerable due to the inevitably power struggle between Hux and Ren.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I hear you, although let's face it: that's what Abrams does best. Has he brought forth anything vaguely original?
Did Lucas?

If you’re looking for originality, Star Wars is not your huckleberry.

I’d try indie cinema! :)
 
Did Lucas?

If you’re looking for originality, Star Wars is not your huckleberry.

I’d try indie cinema! :)
Disagree on this. By "originality" I don't mean mere clever novelty. The original series was plenty original in terms of how it brought imaginative worlds to the screen. When Star Wars came out there was nothing quite like it. Sure, it was based on Joseph Campbell's ideas, but even that was something fresh and new.
 

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