Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[pukunui]

They were white ones.

Edit some were colored.

Interesting. I wonder why it's a mix. Maybe some colors don't show up on camera all that well, so it's better to add the color in after. (Like how some shades of purple can be difficult to capture on film -- a lot of the time they just end up looking blue.)

 

[Reynard]

I'm finally caught up and the show is... still fine. It isn't great but it is elevated by well choreographed fight scenes. Star Wars has never been particularly well written, so this show's weaknesses in that area don't really bother me.

I know there is some lore behind the lightsaber disruption metal but it feels like they should have made some effort to explain it.

Other than that, it is Star Wars. It's fine.

 

[pukunui]

I know there is some lore behind the lightsaber disruption metal but it feels like they should have made some effort to explain it.

Hopefully we'll get a scene in the Jedi Temple where someone explains what it is.

 

[Hussar]

I was cogitating what's bugging me about this show. And, I think it's this:

The first Jedi to be killed, Master Indara was a fantastic scene. Really well choreographed, intelligent, and pretty much everything I want from Star Wars. It really hooked me in. Why is this character trying to kill these particular Jedi? There's a great mystery here. Cool

Then the next Jedi to be killed, Master Torbin. Fantast stuff. The whole "retreated from the world to contemplate existence" thing is very cool. The idea that you can meditate just that hard that you can't be killed is pretty cool. And the added mystery of why Torbin kills himself is great. This is some pretty solid stuff.

Then there's episode 3. Again, very cool. Dives into the history of our two twins. Yeah, sure, some of the dialogue might be a bit ... lacking, but, hey, it's cool and there's still that pretty solid mystery there. And it's moving things forward. I'm really into the show.

Next, episode 4. Forty minutes of people standing around doing nothing. Oh, no, they're not doing nothing. They're sauntering through a forest. The next Jedi master, a Wookiee Jedi (very cool) just dies. Nothing. No fight scene. No dialogue. He's just a corpse. Total let down after building this character up for the previous two episodes.

Finally epsisode 5. So full of plo... oops, sorry, must be correct here, inconsistencies that it's leaking like a sieve. All those characters introduced in episodes 3 and 4 are now dead. I care that they are dead... why? They had no lines to speak of, if they even had names, I totally missed it. The two Jedi from Episode 2 who were watching over Master Torbin had more actual impact on the plot than the half a dozen red shirts.

I just hope that the show turns things around. The last two episodes have been very disappointing for me. I WANT to like this show. And, for the first three eps, I was liking it. So, here's hoping.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Here's my theory: someone, probably Indara, decided that the witches "weren't allowed to exist"

I think it's more likely the witches decided they were unwilling to give up either twin, the jedi decided to take them by force, the witches fought back and were killed.

As for Qimir, I think it's plausible that he came across a Sith holocron (or some other Sith artifact) in his travels. Yord remarked that Qimir fought with no style, which suggests to me that he is self-taught. But he is familiar enough with the Sith to be able to use the term symbolically.

However, we have Vernestra's observation that Mae "was trained by a jedi". This does not seem like a random line to me.

Was Qimir a former padwan who was thrown out? Do the jedi do something to failed padwans to stop them using the Force in civvy street? Which would speek to Qimir's motive. Osha claims the decision to leave was hers, but others say it was Indara's decision. And she says something about her powers "coming back". If Qimir had jedi combat training he would then know how to counter it. And teaching techniques you know how to counter would be a very Sithy thing to do.

Had Mae been with Qimir for all 16 of the missing years? Who rescued her on Brendok? If it was Qimir, why was he there? Wouldn't he have been pretty young himself (20ish)? Unless he has the power to extend his life and is older than he looks? Or was it someone else who recued her? Indara, or a surviving witch? If it was Indara, then she could have given her secret jedi training.


Observation: the conflict in this story isn't Good vs. Evil, it's Law vs. Chaos.

 

[pukunui]

I think it's more likely the witches decided they were unwilling to give up either twin, the jedi decided to take them by force, the witches fought back and were killed.

However, we have Vernestra's observation that Mae "was trained by a jedi". This does not seem like a random line to me.

Was Qimir a former padwan who was thrown out? Do the jedi do something to failed padwans to stop them using the Force in civvy street? Which would speek to Qimir's motive. Osha claims the decision to leave was hers, but others say it was Indara's decision. And she says something about her powers "coming back". If Qimir had jedi combat training he would then know how to counter it. And teaching techniques you know how to counter would be a very Sithy thing to do.

Had Mae been with Qimir for all 16 of the missing years? Who rescued her on Brendok? If it was Qimir, why was he there? Wouldn't he have been pretty young himself (20ish)? Unless he has the power to extend his life and is older than he looks? Or was it someone else who recued her? Indara, or a surviving witch? If it was Indara, then she could have given her secret jedi training.


Observation: the conflict in this story isn't Good vs. Evil, it's Law vs. Chaos.

I am more than happy to be proven wrong! I am curious to see how things play out over the remaining three episodes. Hopefully this will be a self-contained story that answers all the pertinent questions by the end and doesn't leave things dangling for some as yet undisclosed sequel or whatever.

 

[Zardnaar]

Dead witches could also be killed by Sith to blame the Jedi.

You kill the dream.

Legends variant force Visions lead Jedi masters to kill their own padawans. One of the masters was Sith though. Clever story I thought.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Dead witches could also be killed by Sith to blame the Jedi.

You kill the dream.

That would not explain the guilt of Kelnacca and Korbin.

 

[Zardnaar]

That would not explain the guilt of Kelnacca and Korbin.

It would if the Sith infiltrated the Jedi and manipulated them into it.

The basic premise in Acolyte did get done in Legends but have to see what direction they go in. And they haven't copied the major story beats so far.

 

[Omand]

So ... Tossing around a few ideas here based upon where we have ended up.

All speculation, but trying to follow what I think are the little hints they have been dropping in each episode.

1) Osha and Mae represent the light and dark sides of the Force (non-controversial I think). Mae's proclivity for power and vengeance has been highlighted throughout the story. It was especially brought up in the flashback episode where she started off controlling (almost crushing?) the butterfly creature. Plus her desire to control her twin throughout childhood, and her automatic default to aggression when she does not get her way. This contrasts with Osha's more gentle and open nature throughout.

2) Qimir may or may not be an actual Sith, but I think we can safely assume that he has been collecting Jedi and Sith material for ages. I think his "cover" as a broker and collector of information and supplies actually is his real background. Perhaps early in his career or life he stumbled across forbidden Sith knowledge, leading him down the path where we are now. He very well could be the one who rescued Mae from Brendok, since he does seem to travel a great deal searching for things. Is he a failed Jedi? Maybe? Not sure on that point, we need more information.

3) For what happened on Brendok. I think it is clear that the Jedi were coming to collect Osha at the very least and perhaps Mae as well after the initial assessment. I think the blood tests confirmed the unnatural origin of the twins, and that was viewed as a threat. Did the Jedi murder the witches in cold blood? I don't think that will actually be the case (but we shall see), but there may have been some sort of fight involved.

I suspect that Koril was somehow involved in the Brendok fight. We saw multiple times in the flashback that she was extremely protective of Osha and Mae, to the point of almost defying her superior in regards to how to deal with the Jedi presence. She was also the one ( as far as we can tell) who "possessed" Korbin. Perhaps to force her way of seeing things on the rest of the witches (who basically all appeared to disagree with her in the scenes we saw) she possessed Korbin again and started an incident. The rest of the Jedi became involved, lots of witches dead, etc. I think she also possessed Mae at some point during the flashback scenes before the fire. Really hard to tell with the lighting, but I think at one point right around when Mae seals the doors on Osha her eyes go pitch black just like when Korbin was possessed.

All of this was brought back up by Osha remarking to Yord that her mother could enter people's minds and confuse them after he says the unknown assailant (Qimir as we know now) was able to. That was to partially explain the battle, but I think a hint dropped for us to look back.

4) Or even zanier theory, Koril is a Sith plant in the witches. She carries the twins and births them after a witchy ritual (or cloning or the Star Wars equivalent of in-vitro) despite her superior being the "mother." But she was in the witches to steer them to the dark side path to prepare for the Sith to return. She therefore manipulated things to ensure she would be the vessel for this experiment. Giving one of the twins a boost in the dark side energy (Mae) to help push things forwards.

5) OK, and now for something really out there. We have the twins switching positions in the narrative at the end of episode 5. Do we eventually end up with some sort of bizarre fusion of the two of them? Were the witches creating twins on purpose to eventually create some sort of balance in the force? One light side, one dark side, proper life experience results in the two bridging the gap between traditions and then a witchy ritual combines the two into one being to achieve the balance? This is why Ansaya was willing to consider letting Osha join the Jedi in the flashback, because she had full understanding of how the plan would work, while Koril was not fully in on it (or was, but disagreed)?

In this case, the Jedi become involved because they do not see the full picture either, and this forces some sort of crisis that ends up with the flashback scenes of fire and death.

We will see how it turns out.

Cheers