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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
So, I have come to understand that's not correct. Traditionally, gyros is made by grilling thin slices of meat stacked on a vertical spit, in much the same form as the Turkish doner kebab. As you cut down the length of the stack, then, what results is akin to a shredded meat (as it is cut across many thin slices). The strips of what is essentially a form of sausage are an American invention, which my Greek coworkers refuse to call gyros.

They still eat them. They just refuse to call they gyros.
Oh, good to know!
 

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embee

Lawyer by day. Rules lawyer by night.
Governments are not culinary experts. While they did not at one time explicitly qualify ketchup as a vegetable, they cited pickle relish and pizza that used sufficient tomato paste in its sauce as a vegetable. Thus, legal definitions, especially those used for taxation, should be eliminated from our discussion.
As I recall, that was done by Reagan's USDA, to jigger with nutritional requirements and quietly cut funding for school lunches.
 

Umbran

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As I recall, that was done by Reagan's USDA, to jigger with nutritional requirements and quietly cut funding for school lunches.

The details aside, the government's (any government's) view of food is driven by things other than love and understanding of food, and should therefore be disqualified from consideration.
 



Umbran

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Three pages in and I didn't see this
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That's... idiocy. I'm sorry. Key lime pie is quiche, but if you cut it it becomes toast? You have a sub, uncut, it is a taco. But, if it is a bit overstuffed, and the thin uncut edge starts to tear, it can become a sandwich as you eat it? That's nonsense.

Sushi and nigiri are listed, even though nothing breadlike is in the food? Come on!

And, the have a category of "toast", but then the label a dish "toast", but the dish is a sandwich? That's just trolling.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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I see your citation to "Harary's" law and rebut it with ACTUAL law.

Under New York law, "Sandwiches include cold and hot sandwiches of every kind that are prepared and ready to be eaten, whether made on bread, on bagels, on rolls, in pitas, in wraps, or otherwise, and regardless of the filling or number of layers. A sandwich can be as simple as a buttered bagel or roll, or as elaborate as a six-foot, toasted submarine sandwich."

New York is not alone in this attitude. See California (Treasure Island Catering Co., Inc. v. State Board of Equalization 19 Cal.2d 181) (hamburgers and hot dogs are sandwiches). See also SALES AND USE TAX REGULATIONS - Article 8.

Similarly, your attempt to analogize Harary's Law to sandwiches fails even the most cursory scrutiny. A tunafish sandwich is indisputably a sandwich, as is a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. These two elementary examples handily disprove your assertion.
I do not recognize the authority of the legislatures of New York or California to pass judgment on the definition of the British creation of John Montagu. Their opinion has no weight here.

"In the UK ... the term sandwich ... refers usually to an item which uses sliced bread from a loaf. An item with similar fillings, but using an entire bread roll cut horizontally in half, is generally referred to as a roll, or with certain hot fillings, a burger."

More seriously -- the Wikipedia section on the language is fascinating!


According to the story, following the Earl of Sandwich's request for beef between two slices of bread, his friends began to order "the same as Sandwich".[7] The first written usage of the English word appeared in Edward Gibbon's journal, in longhand, referring to "bits of cold meat" as a "Sandwich."[16]

Before being known as sandwiches, this food combination seems to simply have been known as "bread and meat" or "bread and cheese."[6] These two phrases are found throughout English drama from the 16th and 17th centuries.[6]

In the US, a court in Boston, Massachusetts, ruled in 2006 that a sandwich includes at least two slices of bread[1] and "under this definition, this court finds that the term 'sandwich' is not commonly understood to include burritos, tacos, and quesadillas, which are typically made with a single tortilla and stuffed with a choice filling of meat, rice, and beans."[17] The issue stemmed from the question of whether a restaurant that sold burritos could move into a shopping centre where another restaurant had a no-compete clause in its lease prohibiting other "sandwich" shops.

In Spain, where the word sandwich is borrowed from the English language,[18] it refers to a food item made with English sandwich bread.[19] It is otherwise known as a bocadillo. Similar usage applies in other Spanish-speaking cultures, such as Mexico, where the word torta is also used for a popular variety of roll-type sandwiches.

In the UK and Australia, the term sandwich is more narrowly defined than in the US: it refers usually to an item which uses sliced bread from a loaf.[citation needed] An item with similar fillings, but using an entire bread roll cut horizontally in half, is generally referred to as a roll, or with certain hot fillings, a burger. However, hot sliced (not ground) beef between two slices of toasted bread is referred to as a steak sandwich: it is the sliced loaf bread that distinguishes the steak sandwich from a burger.[citation needed]

The verb to sandwich has the meaning "to position anything between two other things of a different character, or to place different elements alternately,"[20] and the noun sandwich has related meanings derived from this more general definition. For example, an ice cream sandwich consists of a layer of ice cream between two layers of cake or biscuit.[21] Similarly, Oreos and Custard Creams are described as sandwich biscuits (UK/Commonwealth) or sandwich cookies (US) because they consist of a soft filling between the baked layers.[22]

The word butty, originally referring to a buttered slice of bread,[23] is common in some northern parts of England as a slang synonym for "sandwich," particularly to refer to certain kinds of sandwiches including the chip butty, bacon butty, or sausage butty.[24] Sarnie is a similar colloquialism.[25] Likewise, the word sanger is used for sandwich in Australian slang.[26] The colloquial Scottish word piece may refer either to a sandwich or to a light meal, especially one that includes a sandwich. For example, the phrase jeely piece refers to a jam sandwich.[27]
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
But what about the lettuce wrap? Is it Sandwich enough without baked goods?

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