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The Belgariad-Saga

The Proconsul

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I've just completed David Edding's Belgariad Sage (unfortunately), und I'd like to know what the general community thinks of it.

Personnaly, I think it's utter rubbish. The hero's are stupid, ignorant, have no clue (at least none that is communicated to the reader). In fact, the only people making ANY plans at all are the villains, and these are ALWAYS thwarted by coincidence. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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My advice: Chill. It's a fantasy book. How did you manage to get through all 5 books if it was so awful? That's a lot of text for a non-masochist to suffer through.

My opinion: I've read the series, oh, four or five times. It's light, enjoyable fantasy with likeable characters. It's not Proust, nor does it aspire to be. Neither is it dark fantasy with heavyweight moral dilemmas and ethical gray areas.
 

The Proconsul said:
Personnaly, I think it's utter rubbish. The hero's are stupid, ignorant, have no clue (at least none that is communicated to the reader). In fact, the only people making ANY plans at all are the villains, and these are ALWAYS thwarted by coincidence. :mad: :mad: :mad:


That's because the main hero is a kid who's being led around by the nose by a couple of people who are thousands of years old. Gandalf wasn't exactly forthcoming in LotR either. It's a professional habit of ancient sages and sorcerers, I guess.

Read the Mallorean, where Belgarion is grown up. They get into the reason why they did what they did quite a bit more there. They actually DID have a plan (or at least a path to follow), albeit one they didn't choose to share with a punk kid.


BTW, if you want a harder-edged hero who can actually stand up to the villain because he's a bad mofo, rather than just because the prophecy said he would, check out the Elenium and Tamuli trilogies by the Eddings. They're a LOT better, in my opinion.

The only problem is that too many of the characters are similar to characters in the Garion books. Ah, well...they're still a fun read. If nothing else, it's fun watching the heroes do some REALLY bad things to the villains. The heroes are not nice people. Sparhawk (the main character) is a perfect example of a LG character, maybe even a paladin, who isn't Lawful Stupid. Mess with something he's sworn to protect, or follow someone he considers evil, and he'll END you.
 
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They are a fine read. I've enjoyed them on more then one occasion. It's good to have books that can be read and reread and enjoyed each time.
 

Now, I have no problem with the hero as a kid, and I very well understand they don't explain things to him. However, I can't really accept this as an excuse not to explain things to the reader, especially if the novel is written in 3rd person (and I think it wouldn't even have taken much away from the story).

As for "likeable characters": take for example Polgara: she is supposed to bring up the future King. How does she do that? She keeps him as a kitchen boy, and away from everything. Now Belgarath (if I recall it rightly) doesn't agree with this ... but does not anything about it!

Also, I think Belgarath is portrayed as a bit too cynical, in that, for eyample not taking serious the kings of the western kingdoms altogether (I guess I miss LotR's pathos; besides, while Gandalf DID withhold information, I never felt something was not revealed to the reader in order to create artificial suspension, which I think is the primary shortcoming of the Belgariad-Saga).

And somehow, I don't like setting aside a book - it just feels wrong, and maybe it get's better ;)
 

Proconsul, read the book "Belgarath the Sorcerer". Even just reading the second set of novels will settle most of your complaints.

SPOILERS




For example the reason he is so cynical about the Alorn kings is that he created the Alorn kingdoms. He didn't want to go on the trip where he had to create the kingdoms, but he was forced into it by the alorns and Aldur, and while he was on it his wife, a woman he loved for many hundred years died. If I was him I would have gone Alorn hunting at that point. Its perfectly understandable his not respecting kings and queens he has known most if not all since their birth, not to mention their ancestors all the way back.
 

I see. Maybe I was mistaken, if you take all the spinoffs into account. Still, I think the Belgariad alone is quite poor - but I'm certainly going to believe you all taken together, it makes sense :)
 

Oddly enough, while these four (belgariad, mallorean, elenium, tamuli) are not the best out there, they are among my favorites. I reread them every couple of years, and its always quick and fun.

There is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes of the belgariad. While a lot of stuff was 'added' in spinoffs, a lot of your questions were answered in brief in David Eddings' 'campaign notes'.

Bare in mind also that this was not written in the fairly formulaic ways of most modern fantasy. David Eddings went back to the source material- late medieval chivalric romance, and reverse engineered it to create the style, flavor, and aspects of storytelling that created the Belgariad. In this way, he is like a much less time-intensive Tolkien.

In order to tell a story of this cosmic scope, you either have to be in the Gandalf's head (boring 'cause you know so much already) or the Frodo's. Which means clueless. If you want to see Belgarion come into his own, check out the Mallorean. You can tell the difference in the first chapter...

This is a line from David Eddings, and it says everything, or at least something, about how to read this series: "The use of archetypal myth in the creation of fiction is the literary equivalent of peddling dope."

Oh, and just to add a bit on the Elenium, not only is Sparhawk LG, he has the added flavor of being part of a LG knightly order known as some of the best torturers around. Harsh fellows.

Just avoid that new book by Eddings. Some good ideas in there, but I could tell which 1, 2, or 3 characters made up each character in the book, guess the plotline, and not tell who was talking with nametags, since they all had the same voice and personality of speech.

I ramble on to avoid doing work. Later,
 

Assenpfeffer said:
It's light, enjoyable fantasy with likeable characters. It's not Proust, nor does it aspire to be. Neither is it dark fantasy with heavyweight moral dilemmas and ethical gray areas.

I agree but would not read them again as there is far too much out there I haven't read.

Mortaneus said:
BTW, if you want a harder-edged hero who can actually stand up to the villain because he's a bad mofo, rather than just because the prophecy said he would, check out the Elenium and Tamuli trilogies by the Eddings. They're a LOT better, in my opinion.

The only problem is that too many of the characters are similar to characters in the Garion books. Ah, well...they're still a fun read. If nothing else, it's fun watching the heroes do some REALLY bad things to the villains. The heroes are not nice people. Sparhawk (the main character) is a perfect example of a LG character, maybe even a paladin, who isn't Lawful Stupid. Mess with something he's sworn to protect, or follow someone he considers evil, and he'll END you.

I agree here as well, though I have only read the Elenium and part of the first book of the Tamuli Trilogy. I pick it up now and again when I am between other reading and want something light where I enjoy the characters.

Khorod said:
There is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes of the belgariad. While a lot of stuff was 'added' in spinoffs, a lot of your questions were answered in brief in David Eddings' 'campaign notes'.

Random House has been kind enough to put the Campaign Notes from the Riven Codex online.

http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/sample/rivancodex_notes.html

Hope that helps! :)
 

Actually, if the only Eddings you ever read is Belgariad and "Belgarath the Sorcerer", you have the best of it. Polgara's story isn't half bad either, but Malloreon & Sparhawk books are the same stuff written over and over again.
 

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