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teitan

Legend
Yeah, I'm going to disagree with this. I'm currently running Candlekeep Mysteries and I've gotten up to Curious Tale of Wisteria Vale, and virtually every adventure is pretty strongly tied to locations in Forgotten Realms. To the point where if you were to try to run these adventures outside of Forgotten Realms, you'd have a lot of work cut out for you. I mean, when you actually, literally, MEET FR gods in the adventure, it's pretty hard to claim that this isn't an FR adventure.
I’m going to preamble with I like Paramandur and 90% of the time I agree with him but this is one area where you won’t be able to win. It’s an agree to disagree kinda situation. FR is the “default” setting but not as heavy as it was before 2019. The adventures aren’t as modular as he likes to push but can be if you’re willing to do the work. Essentially you’re both right but his opinion involves being willing to do the work to make it work rather than it being an actual case of “it is generic/modular enough to fit anywhere”. While Chris Perkins said one thing back in the day, his boss back then was saying another, that they put everything in the Realms and emphasized story because communities were built on stories and shared experiences and the early days of D&D were built on those shared experiences with those stories. That FR was the assumed setting for the adventures but they would provide some guidelines for other settings for DMs to use the materials in other worlds if they wanted. When that guy was no longer the boss is when the attitude changed and FR was no longer the sole focus but the now yearly campaign is still set in FR. The supplements are more generic. They are intended to be generic from the beginning

Now the adventures are defaulted to Forgotten Realms because the adventures are also designed for DDAL which IS set in Forgotten Realms. But the rules material and monsters supplements and generic lore, no.
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
I’m going to preamble with I like Paramandur and 90% of the time I agree with him but this is one area where you won’t be able to win. It’s an agree to disagree kinda situation. FR is the “default” setting but not as heavy as it was before 2019. The adventures aren’t as modular as he likes to push but can be if you’re willing to do the work. Essentially you’re both right but his opinion involves being willing to do the work to make it work rather than it being an actual case of “it is generic/modular enough to fit anywhere”. While Chris Perkins said one thing back in the day, his boss back then was saying another, that they put everything in the Realms and emphasized story because communities were built on stories and shared experiences and the early days of D&D were built on those shared experiences with those stories. That FR was the assumed setting for the adventures but they would provide some guidelines for other settings for DMs to use the materials in other worlds if they wanted. When that guy was no longer the boss is when the attitude changed and FR was no longer the sole focus but the now yearly campaign is still set in FR. The supplements are more generic. They are intended to be generic from the beginning

Now the adventures are defaulted to Forgotten Realms because the adventures are also designed for DDAL which IS set in Forgotten Realms. But the rules material and monsters supplements and generic lore, no.
Changing a few proper names really isn't that much work?
 




Parmandur

Book-Friend
Which applies to ANY WotC adventure, so what's your point?
The point is that Icewind Dale came out two years ago, and Candlekeep was the last specifically FR book released a year and a half ago. And Candlekeep IA very skin deep on that front.

The supposed "default Setting" hasn't received a product in a long, long time.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
You really don't even have to change anything. You can ignore it. That event never happened. Those monsters and gods don't exist.
If the only time the word "gods" would be mentioned, would be in a sidebar in the Cleric class description. That would be ok. I would cover it up with a post-it. And done. But that isnt how the 5e Players Handbook is written.

Now I cant even read about the astral elves without having yet even more Forgotten Realms "gods" infections.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
If the only time the word "gods" would be mentioned, would be in a sidebar in the Cleric class description. That would be ok. I would cover it up with a post-it. And done. But that isnt how the 5e Players Handbook is written.

Now I cant even read about the astral elves without having yet even more Forgotten Realms "gods" infections.
Okay. I can't read it and be infected by it. 🤷‍♂️
 



Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I got a new phone last year, and I dunno if my muscle memory will ever adapt to this keyboard app.
My wife makes a bit of fun, because I keep getting larger and larger phones. Says I'm compensating or having a mid-life crisis. Really, the only crisis I'm having is the inability to type well on a phone! Bigger means fewer mistakes.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
My wife makes a bit of fun, because I keep getting larger and larger phones. Says I'm compensating or having a mid-life crisis. Really, the only crisis I'm having is the inability to type well on a phone! Bigger means fewer mistakes.
To be fair, they keep making them bigger, too
 

If the only time the word "gods" would be mentioned, would be in a sidebar in the Cleric class description. That would be ok. I would cover it up with a post-it. And done. But that isnt how the 5e Players Handbook is written.

Now I cant even read about the astral elves without having yet even more Forgotten Realms "gods" infections.
Why do you hate gods so much?
 


teitan

Legend
Changing a few proper names really isn't that much work?
There are some lore changes needed as well. Like Baldur’s gate for Descent into Avernus set up isn’t really comparable to much of Greyhawk and wildly difficult for other settings. For a home brew? Yeah it’s easy to file off the names. Here I was supporting and mildly disagreeing while agreeing with you 😂
 

The point is that Icewind Dale came out two years ago, and Candlekeep was the last specifically FR book released a year and a half ago. And Candlekeep IA very skin deep on that front.
And this is where you are wrong. Candlekeep is in no way SKIN DEAP. It has more FR stuff in it that RotFM. You are really giving the impression that you haven't read Candlekeep.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
There are some lore changes needed as well. Like Baldur’s gate for Descent into Avernus set up isn’t really comparable to much of Greyhawk and wildly difficult for other settings. For a home brew? Yeah it’s easy to file off the names. Here I was supporting and mildly disagreeing while agreeing with you 😂
Call it Dyv, and it's not like my players would argue with me.
 




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