The Jedi Order. Some thoughts.

[JacktheRabbit]

Another thought came to mind. I am not so hard on Obi-Wan anymore for how dense he was over the missing planet. Here is why.

In the end of the movie. Dooku takes a disk from the Geonosion leader that projects an image of the Death Star. Now if the disk just carries that image or a summary it would be easier to just delete the contents and destroy the disk. There is no reason to take it and keep it safe.

On the other hand if it holds the construction blueprints for the DS then you have to save that information which is what they did.

So think about it. What looked like little more and a 3 1/2" floppy disk held the full construction blueprints for the Death Star. Just imagine the storage capacity per square inch that must be common tech for this to be possible.

Now think about the vast Jedi Library. It was a HUGE facility with computers the size of bookcases. Just imagine how much information can be stored in that place. Now consider that in 1000 years no one has ever found information to be missing or deleted before.

Kind of explains why Obi-Wan was so confused that the information was not there when he looked for it.

 

[Mouseferatu]

No indicators other than the completely pathetic and ineffectual types of attempts that were made. Jango Fett is supposed to be renowned throughout the Republic and yet choses such obviously pathetic methods? Jango makes mention that he has met Jedi before. He should know at least something of their abilities.

Finally why program to have your droid return to you after dropping off the bugs. A smart assasin would have it self destruct so that no one can use it the way Obi-Wan did, basically to trace right back to the killer. The attempts were designed to fail by Jango, his Changling subordinate may think they are genuine attempts but they are not.

Hmm. I happen to think the flaws in Jango's and Zam's planning have less to do with the attempts being faked, and more to do with the fact that you're not thinking about this the way Lucas did.

You're thinking "What would be the best way for the assassins to operate?" You're thinking like a gamer.

Lucas was thinking "What would be the best way to get the story where I want it to go?"

Nothing more complex or sinister than that, really.

 

[Mouseferatu]

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The FBI could not touch you even if they knew you were a mass murderer if you were walking down the streets of a city in Brazil.

Why?

Because the agent would be well ouside his legal jurisdiction. The best the agent could do would be to ask the Brazilian police to arrest you.

Obi-Wan is in the same situation. The cloners planet as states is NOT in the Republic. If its not in the Republic then Obi-Wan has ZERO authority on the planet to arrest someone.

You're assuming the Jedi are equivalent to the FBI. Leaving aside the fact that they're a quasi-religious order, they're more likely a combined FBI/NSA/CIA/Secret Service. And, like the CIA, their mandage permits them to act outside their government's legal borders.

Or else just think of them as an INTERPOL-esque organization. Either way works. Point is, though, you can't really judge the Jedi--or the Republic--based on our legal system. Doesn't necessarily work that way.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

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It doesnt really matter. No matter what Obi-Wan does he will be violating the laws of the planet he is on. He should have gone to the locals and asked for help.

Remember when the Mossad or CIA does something like this in another country they ARE breaking the laws of that country.

You're assuming the Jedi are equivalent to the FBI. Leaving aside the fact that they're a quasi-religious order, they're more likely a combined FBI/NSA/CIA/Secret Service. And, like the CIA, their mandage permits them to act outside their government's legal borders.

Or else just think of them as an INTERPOL-esque organization. Either way works. Point is, though, you can't really judge the Jedi--or the Republic--based on our legal system. Doesn't necessarily work that way.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

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Remember when the Mossad or CIA does something like this in another country they ARE breaking the laws of that country.

But they still do it, don't they? And I doubt they lose much sleep over it. Just like Obi-Wan wouldn't lose sleep over bringing in an assasin who also happened to be their only solid link to the cloning business. Even if he had to ignore local laws to do it.

Also, who says that Kamino law would protect outsiders? It's entirely possible that they would totally ignore fighting between outsiders. Not their business unless it becomes disruptive to their work.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

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The Jedi Knights, protectors of peace and savers of kittens stuck in trees. The automatically ignoring local authority and trying to grab Jango sounds like more of their arrogance coming out.

BTW, doing the wrong thing even for the right reason sounds like Dark Side justification to me. Its just another way to say the ends justify the means.

But they still do it, don't they? And I doubt they lose much sleep over it. Just like Obi-Wan wouldn't lose sleep over bringing in an assasin who also happened to be their only solid link to the cloning business. Even if he had to ignore local laws to do it.

Also, who says that Kamino law would protect outsiders? It's entirely possible that they would totally ignore fighting between outsiders. Not their business unless it becomes disruptive to their work.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

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Double Post

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

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The Jedi Knights, protectors of peace and savers of kittens stuck in trees. The automatically ignoring local authority and trying to grab Jango sounds like more of their arrogance coming out.

BTW, doing the wrong thing even for the right reason sounds like Dark Side justification to me. Its just another way to say the ends justify the means.

No. It's choosing what's good for the Republic (1000's of worlds) over a minor issue that the locals of one planet may or may not even care about.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

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Which is fine for you or me to do but not a Jedi. To someone continually being tempted by the dark side as I bet all Jedi are it would be a very bad thing to just assume and ignore the laws of where you are in favor of taking the quick easy path.

Hmm, the quick and easy path. Now where have we heard those words before.

No. It's choosing what's good for the Republic (1000's of worlds) over a minor issue that the locals of one planet may or may not even care about.

 

[Mouseferatu]

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Which is fine for you or me to do but not a Jedi. To someone continually being tempted by the dark side as I bet all Jedi are it would be a very bad thing to just assume and ignore the laws of where you are in favor of taking the quick easy path.

Hmm, the quick and easy path. Now where have we heard those words before.

Jedi aren't paladins. They're permitted to lie, cheat, and steal at times. They don't have to be scrupulously honest. They don't have to follow the law all the time.

They have to be good, and they have to use the best means available to them. But they're allowed to fudge.

The Force cares about light and dark, good and evil. It doesn't care about lawful and chaotic.

If the Jedi need to protect the most people by breaking the laws of a singe system, they'll do it without thinking twice about it. That's not a flaw in Obi-Wan, it's the way the system works.

The "quick and easy" path refers to use of the Force itself, and to quests for personal power. Technically, while Obi-Wan's actions may have been illegal, they weren't in any way evil.