The official 2015 Doctor Who (with spoilers for aired episodes only) thread

[Ryujin]

Given her previous time fragmented status and how she needs to have been that way in order for The Doctor to still exist, one or more of her fragments could still be kicking around.

 

[MarkB]

IThat's not somethings we've seen yet.

And I'd have liked to keep it that way. Just because it's on a magazine cover, that doesn't mean it's unavoidable and can be dropped into the thread un-spoiler-tagged.

 

[delericho]

I don't know is how dead she is, given that this image is blaring out on magazine covers:

Surely the writers can't be foolish enough to bring her back to life just to get the happy ending? Can they?

As you said in the OP, we've reached a point now where deaths just have no impact, and that's largely because they'll just be handwaved away (perhaps even without explanation). The only chance of reversing that is to have some deaths that stick, and given that JLC is leaving anyway this is an ideal time to do that. Bringing Clara back to life only to wave her off into the sunset may be the worst possible thing they could do right now.

 

[Bagpuss]

I don't know is how dead she is, given that this image is blaring out on magazine covers:

That's not somethings we've seen yet.

Can she actually ever die? I thought Clara was scattered throughout the Doctors timeline. The one he's been travelling with is just one of many Claras. Isn't that how she died as a Dalek, and then in Victorian England, etc. Isn't she "The Impossible Girl"?

The only think I didn't like about last nights episode was the number of trailers that seemed to make it abundantly clear that is was the one she was going to die in. Particularly the one right after Strictly.

How many other people thought he was going to stick her in the empty status pod to buy more time to figure it out?

 

[Bagpuss]

I am in the UK. I don't keep up with news a great deal, but I certainly don't avoid it, though I do try to avoid spoilers about shows I like.

They put a bloody huge spoiler right at the end of Strictly Come Dancing. You must have seen that one?

 

[MarkB]

They put a bloody huge spoiler right at the end of Strictly Come Dancing. You must have seen that one?

No. I watched the episode on iPlayer.

 

[Staffan]

Surely the writers can't be foolish enough to bring her back to life just to get the happy ending? Can they?

As you said in the OP, we've reached a point now where deaths just have no impact, and that's largely because they'll just be handwaved away (perhaps even without explanation). The only chance of reversing that is to have some deaths that stick, and given that JLC is leaving anyway this is an ideal time to do that. Bringing Clara back to life only to wave her off into the sunset may be the worst possible thing they could do right now.

Could be a ghost-type situation, where her mind is kept in the "quantum shadow" or something, and gets released to do some final deed before passing on for realsies.

I think they're overdoing it a little with the tragic fates of the companions by now: trapped in a parallel world (albeit with a human clone of the Doctor), mindwiped, stuck in the past, and now killed by her own overconfidence. The only companion that actually had a happy ending so far has been Martha - and that's because she walked away.

 

[Bagpuss]

The only companion that actually had a happy ending so far has been Martha - and that's because she walked away.

Is that sort of always going to be the case though? Either you walk away or you stay with the Doctor long enough that something bad happens to you, such that you can't stay with him anymore.

Besides I still don't see how Clara can die as such. This one can die sure, but he's already seen two other version of her die and how many other version are still out there?

 

[Morrus]

Very few companions ever died. Out of about 40 companions, only a tiny number did. Clara, Adric, Kamelion, maybe a couple of others I forget. But it's unusual.

 

[MarkB]

Is that sort of always going to be the case though? Either you walk away or you stay with the Doctor long enough that something bad happens to you, such that you can't stay with him anymore.

Besides I still don't see how Clara can die as such. This one can die sure, but he's already seen two other version of her die and how many other version are still out there?

It depends upon how you interpret the events of her first season. As I understand it, the reason the Doctor has encountered other Claras is because she scattered herself back through his timeline, in order to reverse the vindictive efforts of the Great Intelligence to undo his past. So the other Claras are not different versions as such, they're facets of Clara.

The Clara who emerged from that experience was the whole person, and the Doctor's current incarnation is not part of that timeline, which resulted from his now-averted death on Trenzalore. So even if those facets of Clara are still part of the Doctor's past, they aren't part of his future.