The problem with D&D
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green slime
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There is no problem with the game. How can there be? It is just a game! When beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, do we blame the beholden?
green slime
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Crothian said:Ya, because they are evil. And they are broken with all those eyes.
I think you may be onto something!
Fifth Element
Legend
Crothian said:Ya, because they are evil. And they are broken with all those eyes.
Actually, he asked if we blame the beholden, not the beholder.
Hussar said:
Because, if you follow the 3e DMG RAW on demographics, Achilles is F 20, Troy's spear carriers are War-1s, and Achilles wouldn't even notice they're there; after killing F-15 Hector he could walk into Troy any time he wanted. That simply is NOT how the Iliad or any other western battle-myths and stories present the nature of conflict. Maybe Arthur can kill 900 Saxons personally at Badon Hill - after hours of bloody conflict, with his army at his back. He can't just waltz into Essex on his own and wipe out all the Saxon race. That's the difference between 3e F10 and 3e F20. Obviously you can make Arthur F20 & the average Saxon warrior F6, like in SHARK's campaign, but that's no closer to RAW demographics than my suggestion to make Arthur F10.
You don't seem to be very willing to take my point, so I'll leave it there.
I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
It always struck me that the PC party in LotR was very low-level, but still slightly remarkable. The NPC's, however, were IMMENSELY powerful. Waning in power, sure, but tremendously powerful. Nobody *fights* the Eye in the Sky....all they fight is a ring, some persuasion, some hunger, and a few LV1 Orcs and goblins.
It's kind of like Gandalf was level 20, but because of events in the campaign, he couldn't cast spells above level 2 at the moment.
papastebu
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Paul Simon once said that "One man's ceiling is another man's floor." I agree. As a grown person in the free world, you can do anything you want that does not systematically and consistently offend a large number of people, and stops well short of harm to others. Some manage to break even those simple rules without repurcussions.
If I do not like something, generally I don't have anything to do with it. It seems to me that you should choose the same, because this game is not something you have to do. It reminds me of some players that I gamed with as a much younger man who would consistently become upset if anything happened to their characters that was slightly random or did not fit within the idea they had for them. The character sheet would go in the trash if the DM wouldn't change the decision.
Not to be rude, but I also notice that you first posted last month, and now you are publicly ragging out a game that just about everyone here professes to love. Did you join just to insult people, or could there possibly be some other purpose to your tirade? Do you want an argument or help with these supposed problems?
It seems to me that the bottom line here is about what you want. Like any other thing in your life, you have to decide. Do you want to play the game? If you do, then fix the things you think are broken. Check out the House Rules forum if you want specific solutions to your oh-so-specific complaints. If you don't want to play this game, then do something else. You obviously have a choice.
P.S. I have just noticed that this post has been largely threadjacked. In this case, at least, I think this is a good thing.
If I do not like something, generally I don't have anything to do with it. It seems to me that you should choose the same, because this game is not something you have to do. It reminds me of some players that I gamed with as a much younger man who would consistently become upset if anything happened to their characters that was slightly random or did not fit within the idea they had for them. The character sheet would go in the trash if the DM wouldn't change the decision.
Not to be rude, but I also notice that you first posted last month, and now you are publicly ragging out a game that just about everyone here professes to love. Did you join just to insult people, or could there possibly be some other purpose to your tirade? Do you want an argument or help with these supposed problems?
It seems to me that the bottom line here is about what you want. Like any other thing in your life, you have to decide. Do you want to play the game? If you do, then fix the things you think are broken. Check out the House Rules forum if you want specific solutions to your oh-so-specific complaints. If you don't want to play this game, then do something else. You obviously have a choice.
P.S. I have just noticed that this post has been largely threadjacked. In this case, at least, I think this is a good thing.
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Storm Raven
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S'mon said:
No, because Hector is not the only individual on the Trojan side in the Iliad properly modeled as a leveled opponent. The mooks are never a threat to the heroes in the text, they are mostly a wash - the tale essentially consists of heroes duking it out against one another while the armies stand around and gawk or fight each other ineffectively. Achilles can't just waltz into Troy because Aeneas, Paris, and so on are still there to fight him if he tries.
The demographics rules don't work for the Iliad, because the Trojan side does not consist of merely those who live in the city. They have various heroes and princes from their allies who appear. The Trojan War works out to more of "Greece vs. Asia Minor" than "Greece vs. Troy". So Troy has a disproportionate number of "leveled" heroes in its ranks, because it called in favors from across the countryside.
To me, this could be the backdrop of an interesting campaign. While the heroes are off bashing one another, both countries are effectively stripped bare of leveled individuals. Leaving the door open for new heroes to handle the "local" problems those fighting in the war left behind. The answer to the question "where are all the other hereos" becomes "they are fighting each other at the gates of Troy".
