I do not think so. Which Storm Troopers were you referring to Those? Those of the Emperor? Or those prior to order 67? Because those prior order 67 are shining examples of knights in white armor sacrificing themselves for the greater good and the innocent. It is only when Palpatine gave the order that the chip in their brain was activated and made them what they are now. Finn had his chip and conditioning failed and became the white knight that ST were supposed to be. With the two letters LG or LE we would immediately know which ST you were referring.From this I can either conclude that you are ignorant of 20th Century European history or are trolling me.
Either way I see no point in continuing this. Goodbye
The ones in 1977 when they were first introduced without needing a whole lot of lore behind them. Y'know. The ones that were working the way you think that things should be possible. And that demonstrates that they are.I do not think so. Which Storm Troopers were you referring to Those?
And this is possible with masses of lore. But all that lore wasn't actually needed in 1977 - or even 1983.Those of the Emperor? Or those prior to order 67? Because those prior order 67 are shining examples of knights in white armor sacrificing themselves for the greater good and the innocent. It is only when Palpatine gave the order that the chip in their brain was activated and made them what they are now. Finn had his chip and conditioning failed and became the white knight that ST were supposed to be. With the two letters LG or LE we would immediately know which ST you were referring.
1) I never claimed that is was so in the MM. It is something people do to resume an alignment when building their notes. We make acronyms. My Empire of the Sun troopers are usually LN-G. That gives all the info I know about the Empire.1) All I can see is that you're pretending that acronyms are confusing when you don't have familiarity - which is why the 5e statblocks in the Monster Manual use the alignment written out in words. So do the 3.5, 3.0, 2e, and 1e.
2) So you are trying to set rules for alignment that no edition of D&D has ever followed. This is pure special pleading.
3) I don't know. What happens if you make a mistake and declare all orcs to be Lawful Evil when they are in fact Chaotic Evil. The way 2e did. You're not proposing anything that makes this worse than 9 point alignment
4) But alignments aren't given two letters in any of the main monster manuals. They are given two words - which eliminates all the referring back and forth.
5) Your entire issue here is that "If you do something with this system that has not been done in any central monster manual it makes it harder to learn". Which is why D&D does not do things the way you are proposing in any central monster manual when using nine point alignment.
What else goes on the last one - Charity, Destruction, Chaos, Terrorizing, Breeding, Penitence, Sparkly Caves?. This is the current state - and it already in four words tells me about a thousand times more than "Chaotic Good" does.
- Who do you count as insiders? (Self, Team, Family, Clan, Country)
- How do you treat insiders? (Loyalty, Dominate, Trust, Backstab)
- How do you want to treat outsiders? (Welcome, Convert, Ignore, Distrust, Use, Dominate, Eliminate)
- What is best in life? (Power, Wealth, Comfort, Glory, Sex, Art, Excellence, Knowledge, Order)
And guess what? They were short cut bad guys. Yep, in D&D therm, Lucas put LE in front of them.The ones in 1977 when they were first introduced without needing a whole lot of lore behind them. Y'know. The ones that were working the way you think that things should be possible. And that demonstrates that they are.
And this is possible with masses of lore. But all that lore wasn't actually needed in 1977 - or even 1983.
I will accept that when you have a dozen different types of stormtroopers you might be able to point out that one type is CE and most are LE. But that's all you're really getting from alignment and you need to reference multiple films and spinoffs worth of lore to indicate that.
That's because (1) it's come from your mind and you're communicating with yourself and (2) you have decades of familiarity with alignment.1) I never claimed that is was so in the MM. It is something people do to resume an alignment when building their notes. We make acronyms. My Empire of the Sun troopers are usually LN-G. That gives all the info I know about the Empire.
I'm saying that by demanding instant familiarity with acronyms you are doing something D&D has never done with alignment.2) I claimed nothing, what are you referring to exactly? That the alignment system never existed? I truly do not know what you are talking about here. Enlighten me please.
On the contrary. In my system I have no words to use that I'm aware of because I'm using words in common English use.4) See number one above. Two words or two letters who really cares? I have 5 words to learn and memorize or explain that are easy concepts. Compared to all of yours, it is quite easier than your system and quite good for the basic nameless enemies.
This is the literal opposite of my experience.5) No. My point is the more complex the system, the more you need to make references and the more tedious it becomes. It is why alignmentless systems have relatively fewer monsters than a co.parable book in D&D.
Just as you need to for monsters with alignment because alignment isn't tactics or motivation. It's an almost meaningless descriptor that just clogs things up.All this flavor text takes up space that could be used for more monsters. But because there are no alignments, you need to make a lot more than basic fluff to make sure that the monsters are understood and played as intended.
But he didn't need to put LE in front of them. He instead gave them a uniform and the Empire a motivation and a discussion that ensured that actually saying LE would have been redundant.And guess what? They were short cut bad guys. Yep, in D&D therm, Lucas put LE in front of them.
He literally put bad guys. No lore, no nothing. Again, in D&D language LE. That you agree or not changes nothing. They are generic bad guys. No deep motivations or sentiments were put into their creation. Nothing compared to Darth Vader.But he didn't need to put LE in front of them. He instead gave them a uniform and the Empire a motivation and a discussion that ensured that actually saying LE would have been redundant.
Without the work he put in LE wouldn't have said much. With the work he put in LE was utterly pointless and didn't need saying.
And pre-Order 66 the idea that the Stormtroopers, literal child soldiers being lead by people with no military experience, were LG is dubious. You can claim they were LG, but this is something that many people will disagree with.
And everyone got that just fine without an alignment tag!He literally put bad guys. No lore, no nothing. Again, in D&D language LE. That you agree or not changes nothing. They are generic bad guys. No deep motivations or sentiments were put into their creation. Nothing compared to Darth Vader.