D&D General The Satanic Panic never really died?

[FrogReaver]

Children are the future and are living people but folks act as if they were toy extensions of their parents and raising them was some kind of pastime. It's a serious activity and it should be regulated like a serious activity. Not just have regulation mind you, but be stringently regulated like any other serious undertaking.

Additionally, parents as a demographic need to be taken down a peg. They have a tendency to bully other adults, either indirectly through lobbying for unnecessary and oppressive laws, or directly by using their status as a parent as an excluse to demand preferential treatment unrelated to the raising of their children. Especially the former; many of the most egregiously unnecessary laws can be traced back to parents acting in the capacity of parents

When you have kids I hope every bit of your time together gets stringently regulated and that you get taken down a peg etc etc etc.

Okay I don't really wish that. I really wish you would see that pretty much every bad thing you could do to a kid is already illegal and more regulation on top of that just won't be beneficial. More regulation just isn't a silver bullet to solve all problems.

 

[Garthanos]

I agree it was one of the better studies we could have done and is very interesting - but I don't believe science is capable of proving or disproving the supernatural.

Some supernatural claims are approachable in direct fashion because they make claims of impact on the natural world (this is one and a pretty common one - but not the only obviously) and if they hadn't dotted all their i's and crossed their t's additionally they pretty much had bias to prove the opposite of their results.

 

[FrogReaver]

Some supernatural claims are approachable in direct fashion because they make claims of impact on the natural world (this is one and a pretty common one - but not the only obviously) and if they hadn't dotted all their i's and crossed their t's additionally they pretty much had bias to prove the opposite of their results.

I see you ignored my 2 direct objections. No way to rule out inadvertent prayers. No way to rule out observation changing the results.

 

[Garthanos]

Okay I don't really wish that. I really wish you would see that pretty much every bad thing you could do to a kid is already illegal and more regulation on top of that just won't be beneficial.

Not all some places have Vaccines in the obligatory others allow some really wishy washy excuses

 

[Garthanos]

No way to rule out inadvertent prayers.

Heisenberg is only applicable at a quantum level really its statistically covered by basic statistics. (I have minor in physics)

And saying but what if every single person is being prayed for seems kind of I do not know reaching too?

 

[FrogReaver]

Not all some places have Vaccines in the obligatory others allow some really wishy washy excuses

The solution of that is to allow the parents to make the decision but go after people that falsely slander and libel the vaccines. IMO.

 

[Garthanos]

The solution of that is to allow the parents to make the decision but go after people that falsely slander and libel the vaccines. IMO.

They have already mostly done the latter to the extent perhaps that it can be done. (Maybe a few more people who have no credibility anyway but still get followers could be fined?)

 

[Garthanos]

There are large parts of the world though who do not allow the flimsy excuses only medical ones.

 

[FrogReaver]

Heisenberg is only applicable at a quantum level really its statistically covered by basic statistics. (I have minor in physics)

Dang dude..... try to fill in some gaps yourself so communicating with you isn't so tedious.

I'm not claiming the Heisenberg uncertainty principle applies here - i'm saying there's no way to rule out that SOMETHING like that may be occurring.

And saying but what if every single person is being prayed for seems kind of I do not know

I'm saying you can't know who was and who wasn't. Nor can you know if the person praying actually has God's ear. All that kind of stuff.

So I think prayer could have been proven to be effective - but it can't be conclusively proven to not be effective. It's just not possible.

 

[FrogReaver]

They have already mostly done the latter to the extent perhaps that it can be done. (Maybe a few more people who have no credibility anyway but still get followers could be fined?)

Or jail when someone unvaccinated dies or gets sick etc...

 

[Garthanos]

Or jail when someone unvaccinated dies or gets sick etc...

Require a ton of evidence to indicate the specifically were the influence where as the parent themselves well that is pretty evident they made the choice. It's also hard to know your kid got some other immune compromised person dead.

 

[FrogReaver]

Require a ton of evidence to indicate the specifically were the influence where as the parent themselves well that is pretty evident they made the choice. It's also hard to know your kid got some other immune compromised person dead.

It's the internet age where everything we do is tracked. They could get the evidence if they wanted - maybe not on every case - but all it would take would be a few IMO.

You don't have to prosecute every incident - just the winnable ones. Putting a few people in jail for stuff tends to get the publics attention.

I don't think the parents should be liable. It's the ones feeding them false info.

 

[Garthanos]

It's the internet age where everything we do is tracked.

Someone at the school you go to's aunt just died. Your child gave the other kid a mild case of something that was never the less usually stopped by a vaccine the other kid was vaccinated but the vaccines are 93 or 94 percent working (with some being 96 or better too) The vaccinated kid takes it from your unvaccinated kid and it kills his aunt it's incredibly hard to get the chain of certainty for harm done even before they find out who influenced the parents about not vaccinating. I would really really hate to be the Lawyer.

 

[Garthanos]

Man that is a piss poor sentence or system of sentences... sheesh
I need some sleep its way too late here

 

[Coroc]

Yea for some it never did. I was married to a woman from Latin America. She even would see evil forces at work in a children's cartoon when there were monsters or dragons.

When I wanted to join a D&D group in my surrounding, she could not believe that we would not be playing this for money. Different cultural background , totally baked into the mindset, you cannot change that.

Thank god, I got out of that relation some years ago.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

I really don’t care. You’re making something outta nothing. Garth didn’t disparage religion, he noted some pretty commonly discussed changes in “Judeo-Christian” beliefs over the centuries.

As a side note to the "satanic panic" and "witchcraft" scares, interesting to note that prior to the Reformation all the laws about witchcraft were criminalising persecutions, not practice of it. The official stance of the church for more than a thousand years was that witchcraft didn't exist, that there were no witches and anyone who believe otherwise was foolish (ie, a backwater hick) or a Manichaeist heretic (because they were saying Satan had power independent of God)/ If you want a parallel with the priest of the Middle Ages, think rationalist debunker, not fire and brimstone preacher, It was only with the rise of Protestantism and the more "personalised" religion of modern times and people start seeing witches everywhere.

 

[gyor]

Children are the future and are living people but folks act as if they were toy extensions of their parents and raising them was some kind of pastime. It's a serious activity and it should be regulated like a serious activity. Not just have regulation mind you, but be stringently regulated like any other serious undertaking.

Additionally, parents as a demographic need to be taken down a peg. They have a tendency to bully other adults, either indirectly through lobbying for unnecessary and oppressive laws, or directly by using their status as a parent as an excluse to demand preferential treatment unrelated to the raising of their children. Especially the former; many of the most egregiously unnecessary laws can be traced back to parents acting in the capacity of parents

You have some brass ones, I'll give you that.

 

[RobJN]

Three crits in a row, it could happen...

Three crits in a row? Yeah, that's sorcery.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

“Hey everybody! Get a load of this concerned mother’s sincerely held religious beliefs! Guess she didn’t get the memo that the 1980s are over HA HA!”

Classy.

Satanic panic stuff and thinking RPGs are evil is not a belief worthy of respect. Just because a religious belief is "genuine" (whatever that means), doesn't make it okay, not when you mistreat others because of it. That is particularly true here. Satanic panic stuff, which is fundamentally some superstitious sub-medieval bollocks with no real connection to the word of Christ, has been extremely harmful. A lot of people spent a lot of years in jail for wholly false allegations spurred by this stuff, and others have committed suicide or the like because of harassment and ostracisation connected to it. It is not "poor old grandma", it's superstitious trans-religious (ie it can jump religious boundaries) nonsense that hurts people.

 

[Zardnaar]

Satanic panic stuff and thinking RPGs are evil is not a belief worthy of respect. Just because a religious belief is "genuine" (whatever that means), doesn't make it okay, not when you mistreat others because of it. That is particularly true here. Satanic panic stuff, which is fundamentally some superstitious sub-medieval bollocks with no real connection to the word of Christ, has been extremely harmful. A lot of people spent a lot of years in jail for wholly false allegations spurred by this stuff, and others have committed suicide or the like because of harassment and ostracisation connected to it. It is not "poor old grandma", it's superstitious trans-religious (ie it can jump religious boundaries) nonsense that hurts people.

It's not really satanic panic in the classical sense.

More I don't want to buy these books for you and a Bible verse.