D&D General The Satanic Panic never really died?

[Bohandas]

Parents have the right to raise their kids the way they want

I strongly disagree with this statement

 

[FrogReaver]

I strongly disagree with this statement

It's not a controversial statement. What do you disagree with about it?

 

[Garthanos]

The reason we can have child abuse cases is because you do not have unlimited authority over your children. Just like you can no longer have your child stoned in the corner square over disobedience.

 

[Lanefan]

It's not a controversial statement. What do you disagree with about it?

It's not controversial given reasonable parents.

But a few parents, unfortunately, aren't reasonable. In the extreme they beat their kids, or starve them, or otherwise abuse them; in the less-extreme they bring them up as criminals or worse; and in these cases "the right to raise their kids any way they want" becomes rather controversial indeed.

 

[Garthanos]

Losing your indoctrination of anti religion bias will be

LOL so I get threats? yay

 

[FrogReaver]

It's not controversial given reasonable parents.

But a few parents, unfortunately, aren't reasonable. In the extreme they beat their kids, or starve them, or otherwise abuse them; in the less-extreme they bring them up as criminals or worse; and in these cases "the right to raise their kids any way they want" becomes rather controversial indeed.

Its not about reasonableness. It's about abuse. Obviously abusing your kids is wrong and parent shouldn't be able to do that. But they should be able to raise them in the way they want.

 

[Garthanos]

Is teaching kids the world is flat abuse. Home schooling them and keeping them unexposed to many many things is indeed not allowed. So the borderlines are not so extreme

 

[Lanefan]

Is teaching kids the world is flat abuse. Home schooling them and keeping them unexposed to many many things is indeed not allowed. So the borderlines are not so extreme

Home schooling's not allowed? That's news to me.

(that said, I'm in Canada and you're in (the USA?), and the laws might be different there)

 

[Garthanos]

It's impossible that it could have been debunked. There isn't a study that could control for every possible factor in order to debunk it.

It was a Heart Surgery instance and Done by Harvard
It was statistically sound with 1800 people (6 different hospitals) but as I said it was a narrow type of prayer. In fact some people will try and say the findings seemed to be that the believer who knew people were praying for them might have given up fighting for their life a little or something. But from a detailed analysis what I read was that little mini-conclusion had a low factor and was probably a statistical anomaly. The overall impact of prayer was none at all.

 

[Garthanos]

Home schooling's not allowed?

Home schooling to prevent them from learning things like the world being a globe is one such example. there was an AND in the sentence you abandoned it.

You can of course homeschool.

 

[FrogReaver]

Is teaching kids the world is flat abuse. Home schooling them and keeping them unexposed to many many things is indeed not allowed. So the borderlines are not so extreme

Homeschooling is allowed and there's even some stats that suggest it pushes the kids more toward success than the alternative of public school. Of course the overly sheltered and backwards homeschool kids are the ones we always think of but it's not a bad option as long as the parents can handle it and want to be involved - which if they are homeschooling then they do (unless they are using it to hide abuse - which sadly happens as well)

 

[Garthanos]

Of course the overly sheltered and backwards homeschool kids are the ones we always think of

Yup which is why I said AND. They do try to regulate it so you do not get people teaching nonsense but its probably pretty hard to be certain.

 

[Garthanos]

Does nobody realize what an AND means this and that is not allowed even if this or that is allowed.

 

[FrogReaver]

Yup which is why I said AND. They do try to regulate it so you do not get people teaching nonsense but its probably pretty hard to be certain.

Yea - anything is possible. Most Homeschooling anymore follows a paid for curriculum from one of the many homeschooling companies.

 

[FrogReaver]

Does nobody realize what an AND means this and that is not allowed even if this or that is allowed.

Well - you weren't really very specific on the and part... "and keeping them unexposed to many many things is indeed not allowed"

 

[Garthanos]

- which if they are homeschooling then they do (unless they are using it to hide abuse - which sadly happens as well)

ick you went and reminded me of that...

 

[FrogReaver]

ick you went and reminded me of that...

Sorry

 

[Garthanos]

Well - you weren't really very specific on the and part... "and keeping them unexposed to many many things is indeed not allowed"

I was shooting for the global earth group set, but it was vaguish because i am sure there are very many other things in that category that could be over ridden

 

[Bohandas]

It's not a controversial statement. What do you disagree with about it?

Children are the future and are living people but folks act as if they were toy extensions of their parents and raising them was some kind of pastime. It's a serious activity and it should be regulated like a serious activity. Not just have regulation mind you, but be stringently regulated like any other serious undertaking.

Additionally, parents as a demographic need to be taken down a peg. They have a tendency to bully other adults, either indirectly through lobbying for unnecessary and oppressive laws, or directly by using their status as a parent as an excluse to demand preferential treatment unrelated to the raising of their children. Especially the former; many of the most egregiously unnecessary laws can be traced back to parents acting in the capacity of parents

 

[FrogReaver]

It was a Heart Surgery instance and Done by Harvard
It was statistically sound with 1800 people (6 different hospitals) but as I said it was a narrow type of prayer. In fact some people will try and say the findings seemed to be that the believer who knew people were praying for them might have given up fighting for their life a little or something. But from a detailed analysis what I read was that little mini-conclusion had a low factor and was probably a statistical anomaly. The overall impact of prayer was none at all.

But you can't rule out any given person was not being prayed for by anyone. You can't rule out the hesienberg uncertainty principle - that attempting to observe the affects of prayer could change them.

Don't get me wrong - I agree it was one of the better studies we could have done and is very interesting - but I don't believe science is capable of proving or disproving the supernatural.