D&D General The Satanic Panic never really died?

[FrogReaver]

I really don’t care. You’re making something outta nothing. Garth didn’t disparage religion, he noted some pretty commonly discussed changes in “Judeo-Christian” beliefs over the centuries.

Everything I quoted was him disparaging religion. If I had to pick a worst offender it would be associating prayer with magic - which is not a commonly discussed change of anything.

 

[Garthanos]

Disparages any religious mother who looked at the game and still believed it was an issue by calling her not sane.

Yeh probably insulted a bunch of satanic panic ladies who freaked about a game.

Disparages anyone who believes in prayer. Further mischaracterizing how prayer is believed to work by attempting to insinuate it's a type of magical belief.

The act of intercessory prayer for aiding the sick has been debunked
very thoroughly that said I pointed out that it parallels directly the process of spell casting in D&D. There are indeed people who do not believe prayer changes the world (and only themselves ) and many other variations. My statement was about the process and a specific flavor where people do things like pray to find their car keys The bible has advocations for that too btw.

Disparages religion by insuniating sincerely held religious beliefs were an addition that wasn't original present.

They were added no insinuation needed.

Disparages religion by stating that the creation of the religious book caused otherwise accepted practices to become heresy.

It did they took way more active than just writing the book... it was not necessarily peaceful either.

and other sincerely held religious beliefs are incorrect.

Believing something does not make it truth evidence indicates that the religion changed over time and we all ought to be glad it did

Disparages religion by equating the story of God creating man to magic.

Clay figure wizard breathes life into it from the very people this story came from.

Disparages religion by insinuating that all of Christianity has it wrong about who the God they believe in is.

Education about earlier religions is not that painful.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Everything I quoted was him disparaging religion. If I had to pick a worst offender it would be associating prayer with magic - which is not a commonly discussed change of anything.

It literally is dnd magic. That isn’t disparaging, I am a theist. I pray to my gods.

But in a discussion about dnd, it’s not weird at all to talk about how metaphysical religious beliefs are literally magical.

 

[Sepulchrave II]

@Zardnaar - Notice the difference between what you posted and this. You listed a bunch of facts with no spin - simply historical events. This is not a fact - it's just spin.

No spin. But I'm not doing basic research for you.

 

[FrogReaver]

It literally is dnd magic. That isn’t disparaging, I am a theist. I pray to my gods.

But in a discussion about dnd, it’s not weird at all to talk about how metaphysical religious beliefs are literally magical.

Yes it is

 

[FrogReaver]

No spin. But I'm not doing basic research for you.

You just convenientely ignore any and all scholars who hold a different opinion. Interesting how that works.

 

[Sepulchrave II]

You just convenientely ignore any and all scholars who hold a different opinion. Interesting how that works.

If you can keep an open mind, I'd recommend a book called The End of Biblical Studies by the theologian Hector Avalos.

 

[FrogReaver]

Yeh probably insulted a bunch of satanic panic ladies who freaked about a game.

more disparaging by referring to sincerely held religious believers as "satanic panic ladies"

The act of intercessory prayer for aiding the sick has been debunked
very thoroughly that said I pointed out that it parallels directly the process of spell casting in D&D. There are indeed people who do not believe prayer changes the world (and only themselves) and many other variations. My statement was about the process and a specific flavor where people do things like pray to find their car keys The bible has advocations for it btw.

It's impossible that it could have been debunked. There isn't a study that could control for every possible factor in order to debunk it.

They were added no insinuation needed.

Then let me rephrase - what you wrote was untrue.

It did they took way more active than just writing the book... it was not necessarily peaceful either.

All you have is 21st century theories (that tend to be anti religious) about what happened. Anything you say there has to be taken with a big grain of salt.

Clay figure wizard breathes life into it from the very people this story came from.

The creation of man story is not magical

Education about earlier religions is not that painful.

Losing your indoctrination of anti religion bias will be

 

[FrogReaver]

If you can keep an open mind, I'd recommend a book called The End of Biblical Studies by the theologian Hector Avalos.

The only people here I see not keeping an open mind are those disparaging religion.

 

[Garthanos]

more disparaging

Nope not more just the same one about people freaking about a harmless game.

 

[FrogReaver]

Nope not more just the same one about people freaking about a harmless game.

Well at least you acknowledge you are disparaging those people. That's a start I guess.

 

[Garthanos]

All you have is 21st century theories

Theories are the meat of science and once they reach the point of being a theory they change slower, but they can change and get better with evidence the evidence of huge numbers of variations in the religion prior to the Council is stacking up not going away.

 

[Lanefan]

If I had to pick a worst offender it would be associating prayer with magic - which is not a commonly discussed change of anything.

Not in your circles, maybe, but it's certainly come up in discussion here in Pagan-friendly Victoria: there's a whole lot of parallels between Christian prayer and Wiccan magic - probably more than either group would really want to admit.

And @gyor from post 204: I'm pretty sure the anti-witchcraft law in Canada was repealed some years back; though I've got it in the back of my mind that the fraud laws were also reworded to cover fraudulent psychics.

 

[FrogReaver]

Theories are the meat of science and once they reach the point of being a theory they change slower, but they can change and get better with evidence the evidence of huge numbers of variations in the religion prior to the Council is stacking up not going away.

Not the scientific theory. The commonly used lawman meaning of the word. Wasn't that obvious?

 

[Garthanos]

Not in your circles, maybe, but it's certainly come up in discussion here in Pagan-friendly Victoria: there's a whole lot of parallels between Christian prayer and Wiccan magic - probably more than either group would really want to admit.

And I was just pointing out a process similarity with D&D magic

 

[FrogReaver]

Not in your circles, maybe, but it's certainly come up in discussion here in Pagan-friendly Victoria: there's a whole lot of parallels between Christian prayer and Wiccan magic - probably more than either group would really want to admit.

Just for reference. For a point like this - this is the proper way for it to be said to not come across as mocking Christianity.

 

[FrogReaver]

And I was just pointing out a process similarity with D&D magic

No. You made a caricature of Chritain prayer so you could shoehorn it into being similar to D&D magic which is disparaging.

 

[Garthanos]

Not the scientific theory. The commonly used lawman meaning of the word. Wasn't that obvious?

Nope I am thoroughly parsing everything you say though the light of someone who doesn't like 21st century knowledge and prefers iron age stories.

 

[FrogReaver]

Nope I am thoroughly parsing everything you say though the light of someone who doesn't like 21st century knowledge and prefers iron age stories.

So now you are going to disparage me?

 

[Garthanos]

or actualy what started as bronze age became iron age and has been adjusted quite a bit.