things i like/dislike about PHB2 - a sort of review

gribble

Explorer
I am really starting to think the best houserule is the +1 to all attacks, instead of trying to fix this awful feat.

I just really, really wish they'd thought a bit more about it before releasing this feat. Houseruling it is all very well and good, but doesn't help those of us playing in RPGA games or wanting to use the character builder...
:(

Hopefully WotC sees the light and erratas the feat itself, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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Wolfspider

Explorer
How about this then?:

It is WotC's policy to sell the PHB, DMG, and MM at a reduced margin in order to make the game accessible and attract players, postponing major profits until the supplements are released. This is done in a manner similar to the way that game console manufacturers often sell their consoles at or below cost in order to generate an installed base to which they can sell games at high margin, to make money on the game licenses.

The 3 core books are "loss leaders" that get you into the game and turn you into a possible purchaser of the supplement books. Someone without the 3 core books is not likely to be a potential customer, so it is vitally important to price the starter books in such a way that a new player will not feel like they're gambling a lot of money in order to get started with a game they aren't certain that they'll enjoy. This was the policy for 3rd edition books, and it remains the policy for 4th edition books, because WotC has determined that it is a productive strategy.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
 


IanArgent

First Post
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH2.pdf - PDF warning.

Implement Expertise [Addition]
Player’s Handbook 2, page 185
Add the following sentence to the end of the Benefits section: “Even if an implement
qualifies for this bonus more than once, you can apply the bonus only once when using
that implement.”
Weapon Expertise [Addition]
Player’s Handbook 2, page 190
Add the following sentence to the end of the Benefits section: “Even if a weapon
qualifies for this bonus more than once, you can apply the bonus only once when using
that weapon.”
 




Arivendel

First Post
meh i dont really mind, seems unnecessary since it wasnt that broken, the effects only start to take hold mid paragon & epic anyways so it wasnt that big a deal in my eyes. What I find curious is the need to add the same provision to Implement Expertise... could this mean there will be double implements in Arcane Power/AV2!? I sense the Ball Pen of Doom (Wand Orb!) coming soon to a game table near you lol!

Oh and my question regarding Goliath's and Goliath Great Weapon Prowess got buried and unanswered :(
 

Inyssius

First Post
meh i dont really mind, seems unnecessary since it wasnt that broken, the effects only start to take hold mid paragon & epic anyways so it wasnt that big a deal in my eyes.

An always-on, untyped, PLUS SIX bonus to all attack rolls does not seem too powerful to you?

Man what!?

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EDIT: Frankly, I almost fear to ask, but what was your Goliath question exactly?
 

Arivendel

First Post
An always-on, untyped, PLUS SIX bonus to all attack rolls does not seem too powerful to you?

Man what!?
Yeah its not that big a deal, mainly because it still costs two to three feats (some double type weapons are superior weapons), and because the effects only start to take effect at the mid of the tier, by level 15 i am normally throwing stuff two to three times the levels so the +4 isnt that back breaking same by level 25, the +6 isnt really that big a deal.

besides if it costs two feats i dont mind that much after all im of the believe that anything a PC can do a BBEG can also do (which is why i dont mind stuff that may seem broken, if my players start adding cheese I just spread some cream cheese on my monsters as well and we are done)
EDIT: Frankly, I almost fear to ask, but what was your Goliath question exactly?
Well its quite simple Goliath Greatweapon Prowess says:
"You gain Proficiency with all simple and military two-handed melee weapons and a +2 feat bonus to damage rolls with such weapons"
My question was: Does the +2 refer to the weapon type used (Two Handed Melee Weapons) or to the Weapon Types Given proficiency through the feat?
It seems kinda lame that a Goliath who decides to take this feat and Weapon Proficiency (Mordenkrad) deals less minimun damage than a Goliath wielding a Warhammer. Currently i have it set so the bonus applies to all Two-Handed Melee Weapons.
 

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