D&D 5E Toward a new D&D aesthetics

What is your feeling about the changes in aesthetics of D&D illustrations?

  • I really enjoy those changes. The illustrations resemble well my ideal setting!

  • I'm ok with those changes, even if my ideal setting has a different aesthetics.

  • I'm uncertain about those changes

  • I'm not ok with those changes because it impairs my immersion in the game.

  • I hate those changes, I do not recognize D&D anymore

  • The art doesn't really matter to me either way. I don't buy/play the game for the art.

  • Change in aesthetics? Where? What?


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D&D art hasn't been good since 2nd edition. The previous aesthetics didn't resonate with me, and neither does the new stuff, so I don't care about any change.

I admit I haven't looked closely enough at the art to notice any difference, it's all so boring.
 

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BookTenTiger

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D&D art hasn't been good since 2nd edition. The previous aesthetics didn't resonate with me, and neither does the new stuff, so I don't care about any change.

I admit I haven't looked closely enough at the art to notice any difference, it's all so boring.
Can you post examples from 2e that you like? What is it about 2e art that you enjoy so much?
 

Umbran

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But I think your intent is to start a fight, or at least frustrate me enough so that I go away, you get the last word and "win"

Asking you for examples of what you mean, to demonstrate what you see as a trend, is not looking to frustrate you or start a fight. It is a request for information to understand.

These are discussion boards. It is reasonable for folks to expect you to want to actually discuss opinions you express.
 

beancounter

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It's a discussion forum. Where people discuss things. And make claims. And if you make claims, it's commonly understand that you usually have to put forth some evidence so people can be on the same page and further the discussion.

I did show a picture of the kind of art I view as Disneyfied.

I think people can extrapolate from that one picture to understand what art style I'm referring to.

I don't have time to post a bunch of examples, and even if I did, I get the impression it wouldn't be enough.
 

EzekielRaiden

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I'm pretty sure you know what this poster is saying. Passive aggressiveness never wins the race.
From my perspective, dismissing an entire style as "Disneyfied" without actually explaining what is meant by that--because I genuinely don't know what is meant by it--is the passive-aggressive thing.

People have been criticizing D&D art for...about as long as there has been "D&D art." Back in the early 3e days, it was mocked for being "dungeonpunk," with plenty of specific examples of both flawed and simply different art. 4e, likewise, got flak for being all sorts of things with its art, often simply echoing other complaints about it. Now we get...what, one or two pieces of cover art that use bright colors, a somewhat softened stylized look, and a variety of species and depictions, and that's "Disneyfied"? If that's the case, Disney hasn't been Disneyfied for decades, and the term is mostly worthless "this thing is like X which I think is bad."

It's fine to say, "I don't like this soft style and all the bright colors, that doesn't fit with the picture I have of pseudo-medieval Europe." You would be mostly talking about your picture, though, not the actual lives of people in High Middle Ages Europe. The modern "dung ages" pop-culture conception of the Medieval period is often--not always, but often--severely lacking in historical accuracy, just in ways different from the previous highly-romanticized perspective (often driven by the Arthurian romances and overall culture of "courtly love" stories). As that analysis page link discusses, some parts of medieval life were really, truly gross and awful. But other parts of it were not at all like that, and they absolutely delighted in the use of color and form and style as much as people of today, it was just harder for commoners to come by.

Consider, for instance, the Italian commedia dell'arte, which used brightly-colored costumes for its various dramatic personae (particularly Arlecchino, better known to English-speakers as Harlequin.) Although the commedia dell'arte proper did not arise until the Italian Renaissance, traditions of improvisational theater and colorful, mask-wearing performance date back to at least the Roman Empire, and have antecedents in the "morality plays" of the High Middle Ages. And, contra what some have said in this thread, those brightly-colored signs and such are in fact completely in line with Medieval marketing ideas: many people were illiterate or only minimally literate, so locations would invest in painted signage with easily-recognized symbols, often in bright colors so they could be seen from a distance. If one could acquire a magic sign that actually glowed with color, I guarantee such things would have been of interest to Medieval shopkeepers.

If you think D&D should have a "real is brown" and "dung ages" type aesthetic, cool--but don't express it with pejoratives and trivializations of equally valid artistic choices.

Edit: I started writing this well before the red text, only just recently hit send. Hopefully the rest of the content is worthy of discussion despite that.
 
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BookTenTiger

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I did show a picture of the kind of art I view as Disneyfied.

I think people can extrapolate from that one picture to understand what art style I'm referring to.

I don't have time to post a bunch of examples, and even if I did, I get the impression it wouldn't be enough.
I just don't know that it constitutes a real change in aesthetic... I mean, here's a pseudodragon from the 2e Monster Manual:

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It's also a cute, flying, bug-eyed creature!
 

beancounter

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Asking you for examples of what you mean, to demonstrate what you see as a trend, is not looking to frustrate you or start a fight. It is a request for information to understand.

These are discussion boards. It is reasonable for folks to expect you to want to actually discuss opinions you express.

I did post an example. Post #27.
 


Can you post examples from 2e that you like? What is it about 2e art that you enjoy so much?
This here is probably my favorite D&D illustration
dragonslayers.jpg

Why do I like it so much? It looks real. The gear the characters are wearing and carrying is all functional and appropriately sized, and the dragon is something they could concievably kill without the help of Hollywood physics. And of course the artist's technical proficiency and attention to detail lifts it all to a new level. The realism really highlights the fantastic elements of the image and makes me want to explore this world.
 


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