Traditional Buffy and Angel Thread (Spoilers for both)
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It remains possible that the professor did *not* open the portal that sent Winifred to the hell dimension. He was never really given an opportunity to explain, deny or confess. Granted the book in his office is condemning. However, it remains possible that the blonde teachers assistant who glowed at Fred did the deed – repeatedly sending people to hell over the years – out of jealousy. She would also have had access to the book. If this is true then it will add a real wrinkle to an already complicated situation.
Henry said:
If, by hero, you want him to be good and noble and shining-armor, then no, you're right, the episode had no hero. All of the crew were racing to get to the professor- the only difference would have been what they did to him.
I disagree that Gunn and Fred weren't heros. They took evil out of the world. Evil man, dead man. I dislike the Buffy/Angel theory that heroes don't kill people, only demons. The demons embody evil, but people can be evil too, as has been often and amply demonstrated on the show- quite often, it's the people summoning demons to do evil. But it's fairly consistently shown that 'heroes' in the Buffyverse don't kill humans. Buffy wouldn't kill Warren, Willow had to go 'evil' to do it.
That professor tried to kill Fred three times. He forfeits. I don't think it was a dark choice.
Tangentially, Whedon's shows have a somewhat inconsistent view of heroics. In the Firefly premiere, Reynolds kicked a bound thug into a turbine engine to make a point. In friday's ep, he wouldn't finish a mass-murderer (that guy had killed 12 people in duels for no reason) in a duel, even though it was the expected result. That guy will be a bigger threat to leave behind alive than the knife-wielding thug from the premiere would ever have been.
Whedon swears he doesn't want relationships to be happy- it makes bad TV.
He nicely ripped up Gunn and Fred tonight, so that theory is running darn near 100% over the lifetime of both shows. It gives me bad feelings for Reynolds and Inara, Zowee and the pilot, and the Doc and Kaylee on Firefly. They're so screwed.
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Looks like Josh is going to his traditional mini cliff hanger trend he likes to use with Buffy. You know where a big issue is lest open at the end of an episode and then the next episode does not deal with it. Next week looks like a fun departure from the storyline. A break similar to that in games where you run a single shot run to just switch things up for a week.
I like how Josh does this, it allows him to explore different sides of the characters or their surroundings without meshing it in the current story. Sometimes they tie in, other times they don't. I am looking forward to next week.
I hope this made sense becasue I have to go to a meeting five minutes ago
I like how Josh does this, it allows him to explore different sides of the characters or their surroundings without meshing it in the current story. Sometimes they tie in, other times they don't. I am looking forward to next week.
I hope this made sense becasue I have to go to a meeting five minutes ago
I feel this weeks Angel was about limits, Fred going to Wes for help, showing she was willing to go to an untrusted person. Wes still showing his interest in Fred by doing what she requested. Gun willing to commit murder for his love. There is a love triangle there that has not finished.
It was interesting, I think the TA has a roll to play yet. I think Angel will say the words.
It was interesting, I think the TA has a roll to play yet. I think Angel will say the words.
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