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Transformers Kingdom - What did you Think

Hussar

Legend
Ok, disclaimer, I'm not a huge Transformers nerd. I watched the movies, I watched the old cartoons when I was a kid, I watched the hell out of the Beast Wars series when it was on and really loved that. So, when they came out with the new Transformers trilogy, I'm watching it as someone who has very little knowledge of the universe.

Overall, I liked it. I thought it hit some very cool notes and the stories were pretty cool.

I'll admit, the first two parts of the trilogy lost me a bit. "Dead universe?" WTF is that? Dude with like 5 faces that cuts four of them off? Ok... cool?

But, overall, I did like it. I just wish they maybe had done a tad less fan service and a bit more exposition.
 

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Dire Bare

Legend
The animation pulled me into each chapter of the trilogy . . . but I never got past the first couple of episodes each. Fun (kinda), but dry and unengaging for me.

I was an 80s kid during the original run of Transformers, and it holds a lot of nostalgia for me. But the Beast Wars dropped when I was a young(ish) adult, and I could never wrap my head around robots transforming into animals. I had the same feeling again watching the first episode of Kingdom.

Now, the opening sequence on Cybertron for the Bumblebee live-action flick . . . that hit my buttons!
 

Blue Orange

Adventurer
I thought they did a nice job with the first two series, both homaging the original (the opening sequence with Bumblebee and Wheeljack on Iacon is a clear callback to the beginning of the original series) and putting a new spin on it. The five-faced creature is a Quintesson, a sort of greater-scope antagonist to the Decepticons dating back to the original series (they made both Autobots and Decepticons). The Dead Universe was in the IDW comics (which I only read a few of).

I skipped the last series, having lacked any personal connection to Beast Wars for similar reasons to you. But someone who grew up with them might have a different view.
 

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
I am deep into Transformers stuff right now, partly because of the typical mid-life crisis stuff, and partly because I needed a hobby that didn't depend on having a group of other people around to hang out with for the past year and a half.

I give it an 8. But then again, I "got" all the things it was trying to go for.

I watched the entire series on 1.25x speed, as was recommended to me. And honestly that felt like it should have been the default speed due to the pacing of the dialog. I want to elaborate that the voice actors themselves were not bad, just that the direction was off. ( Hearing a 25 or 35 year old catch phrase with the "wrong voice" is just unfortunate and not their fault. )

As a toy commercial, it's better than most. They used the actual toy CAD files (or whatever they are called) for making the character models, which is really nice for those of us who like that kind of thing, enabling you to take your figures and re-create your favorite scenes easily. While there were a few "Lets get this toy in here" moments, I was ironically disappointed that they did nothing with the Fossilizers (A new set of transformers that have skeletal dinosaur alt-modes and are totally rad).

There is a lot of violence and death in the series, as is normal for Transformers outside of the Saturday-Morning Cartoon block. I think they handled most of them them well. A few heroic sacrifices, a few merciless slaughters. Even Elita 1's off screen death is poignant, despite how easily wrong such a thing could have gone.
 
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Janx

Hero
I'm not sure which one that is, but I assume it's the latest War For Cybertron entry that came out.

I like the series, but I loathe how netflix makes each one a new title instead of releasing them under the same series identifier. This makes me have to tag it each time a new batch comes out, and gets confusing on which one I saw already or what order.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
I'm not sure which one that is, but I assume it's the latest War For Cybertron entry that came out.

I like the series, but I loathe how netflix makes each one a new title instead of releasing them under the same series identifier. This makes me have to tag it each time a new batch comes out, and gets confusing on which one I saw already or what order.
It is. It's the third chapter of War for Cybertron. There is a Transformers collection on Netflix that lists all three chapters, you can scroll down the info screen for any of the three to find it at the bottom. Not sure if you can tag the collection, or find it easily someplace else.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
It is. It's the third chapter of War for Cybertron. There is a Transformers collection on Netflix that lists all three chapters, you can scroll down the info screen for any of the three to find it at the bottom. Not sure if you can tag the collection, or find it easily someplace else.

Ah need to do some more watching. Think I've only seen part one.

Edit. Watching pt 2 now.

Edit 2.0. This is how you do a reboot. Homage to the original accounting for an older audience, characters faithful to themselves and not taking a chainsaw to the franchise "just because".

Generally I hate reboots this is one of the better ones.
 
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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
For context, I don't have love for G1. I mean unless you consider the Japan exclusive ones to be G1 (They technically are?) I actually had a lot of exposure to Beast Wars and loved it growing up. (Airazor was my first ever transformer)

My opinions. I really missed the Dinobot/Ratrap banter. This was a sore point. I also missed Waspinator. How do you reboot BW without Waspinator? I also felt Megs wasn't egomaniacal enough and too much of a pushover for Megatron. I think Elita should have had an onscreen death.

But everything else... It was great! I loved how they conveyed Airazor and Tigraton being in a relationship without having to mention it. (On a similar way, I loved how they implied Silverbot existed in this continuity, he just didn't make it long enough). Dinobot will always be Dinobot and he didn't disappoint this time.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I liked it. Not familiar with beast wars.

Season 2 is my favorite I think.

Animation, storyline, development etc can't complain. Overall very good.
 

Janx

Hero
I finished it last night.

Um. It's a muddled mess. Conclusions leapt to, without enough connective information. Gorrilla guy says a couple nouns and slams on the console, and they're calling him a genius. On the one end, it's trek technobabble, on the other, it should form a coherent sentence.

Optimus just happens to know who Nemesis Prime is? Nobody explained that to him. Everytime somebody was going to do or ask for exposition, they got cut off.

Ghosts appearing to save the day, way too many times.

Megatron suffers from D&D battlegrid-less "I'm everywhere" syndrome. One minute he's trapped after taking Matrix from Prime again, the next he's free and shooting.

What kind of idiot doesn't watch for the THIRD bad guy when the first two are in the middle of a betrayal. Optimus had ONE job.

I liked the series in general, but this season seemed to leap around to conclusions that were not obvious. Maybe it was expecting folks to know the original timelines of these characters or something. It felt off.
 

Hussar

Legend
@Janx - thank you. You hit it right on the button for what problem I was having with this. This was a HUGE fan service film that expected people to be far, far more Transformers fans that I am. Again, I think it's a problem with Netflix's really, REALLY short release schedule. If they had a few more episodes in each series to actually explain this stuff, I think I would have enjoyed the series a lot more.

As it was, I was really lost so many times. So much of it seemed just out of left field - Quintesson? Huh? WTF is a Quintesson? - So on and so forth.
 

Willie the Duck

Adventurer
Ok, disclaimer, I'm not a huge Transformers nerd. I watched the movies, I watched the old cartoons when I was a kid, I watched the hell out of the Beast Wars series when it was on and really loved that. So, when they came out with the new Transformers trilogy, I'm watching it as someone who has very little knowledge of the universe.
I only watched the original, caught some of Beast Wars and whatever the ~2000-2003 era shows were while being a proxy parent, and saw 1.5 of the live action movies. Then as an act of middle aged nostalgia, caught some of the Prime Wars trilogy, and now this. This is... a lot better than Prime Wars. I agree with those who say it is a logical mess and didn't show when it needed to show, and didn't explain when it needed to explain, but there were fun points and places.

 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
@Janx - thank you. You hit it right on the button for what problem I was having with this. This was a HUGE fan service film that expected people to be far, far more Transformers fans that I am. Again, I think it's a problem with Netflix's really, REALLY short release schedule. If they had a few more episodes in each series to actually explain this stuff, I think I would have enjoyed the series a lot more.

As it was, I was really lost so many times. So much of it seemed just out of left field - Quintesson? Huh? WTF is a Quintesson? - So on and so forth.
In the third season -which I have actually watched- they mention the Quintessons were the creators/slavers of the Cybertronian race as we know it. They have the ability to create new transformers and even revive dead ones. (For example one Quintesson is the one who revived Optimus after he died in the Movie)
 


Hussar

Legend
Oh I got the gist of what a quntesson is. But relying on my having watched a thirty year old movie to get this pretty large plot point was a bit much for me.

The point about it not showing when it should and not explain paining when it should is spot on IMO.

I liked the shows, I really did. I just found lots of it going whoosh over my head.
 

Watched it back to back with motu: revelations and honestly this one got me more.
Turning Starscream into Cassandra for Unicron was brilliant.
Black Arachnia: smartest lady in the army and the pointer out of dumbasses.
Dinobot "I got to the hall of fame 1 year before optimus frigging prime" did well enough. He has a particular plot that happens with him and he did it.

when did Elita 1 die?

This feels like the whole reason they did this series was to slap around their transformers' toys, including that one weirdo that painted his Optimus Prime black.

I did get a kick out of the arc finally transforming.

The updated beast war animation was better than the original, but that might be damning with faint praise.

I'm calling this series the last temptation of Megatron for obvious reason. :D
 
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Hussar

Legend
Well, I would hope that the animation would be better. Good grief, Beast Wars came out in the 90's. At the time, it was pretty cutting edge. Then again, I was a giant Reboot fan, so, the art was pretty close for both. Like I said, it was great for the time.

I have to admit, we never got Transformers on Saturday mornings where I lived. This was back before everyone had cable, so, I never actually saw the Transformers cartoons particularly. I saw a few of them, but, not enough to ever really get into it. It was Beast Wars that drew me in.

In the Beast Wars series, didn't they find the Autobots at one point? That's how they got back to Cybertron AIR. It's been a really long time thoguh.
 


MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
In the Beast Wars series, didn't they find the Autobots at one point? That's how they got back to Cybertron AIR. It's been a really long time thoguh.
They did.

Here in my country I'm sure they broadcasted G1 at some point, but that was before my time. Growing up, I got to watch the Masters trilogy, which was on a loop for a few years. After that, they attempted to show G2, but it felt flat. After watching the elaborate transformations and cool gimmicks of the Japanese series, watching the original transformations wasn't anything out of the ordinary. (I also blame the poor selection of episodes they did for G2)

But Beast Wars, it was actually nice. It was so cool and new. (And they having female transformer toys didn't hurt at all) It wasn't just episodic, it built a story. It didn't have flat characters, they grew and learned. (And I was sure Dinobot and Ratrap were this close to rage kiss at any time... n_n)
 

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