Ulimate Monk Armor....?
- Thread starter Nail
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Lord Pendragon
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I don't dispute this at all. That's why I kept saying "in theory."Nail said:
Patryn of Elvenshae
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Nail said:So, your job becomes convincing us that multiple AC bonuses that add up to +12 are exactly the same as one Armor bonus +12.
Good luck!
Uh-uh-uh!
One Force effect Armor bonus of +12.
It's *better* than a single non-Force effect Armor bonus of +12.
Nail said:So, your job becomes convincing us that multiple AC bonuses that add up to +12 are exactly the same as one Armor bonus +12.
Good luck!
I'm more than happy to concede that the item you created is not quite as good as having one armor bonus of +12, even if the net effect is the same in most situations. I'd be willing to say that limitations make it only about half as useful. For the sake of arguement, I'll even say that it's worth dropping the price to 10% of the similar item we're comparing it to. That leaves it with a price of 144,000 gp. That seems about right to me, considering the cost of other "ultimate" armors (100,000+ gp for +10 armor, not including the cost of the armor itself and any other add ons that aren't equal to enhancement bonuses).
Majoru Oakheart
Adventurer
This quote is from Sean K Reynolds page:
This is pretty much said in the DMG as well. But the first step is always to figure out how it compares balance wise to items already in the book.
Ok, these prices look good. For 5 different items. Now, the fact that combining them into one slot means that they are EASILY more useful than buying the items each individually. Mainly because all you need to do is get an item that gives you an insight bonus to your ac, and you have lots of slots left to put it in. Or, buy a suit of full plate (if this wasn't a monk) and you can have a lot more AC.
You are right that bracers of armor +12 ARE in fact more powerful than this, but not by much. Your touch ac will be higher this way, and with the savings you are getting, you can probably afford some other item that will up your ac (like bracers of armor +8 for instance). Sean K Reynolds mentions this is his discussion, and it says in the DMG, but slots are commodities. Balance is partially maintained simply by running out of places to put new magic items on your body. What you are basically getting from this magic item is bracers of armor +4 and a bunch of other items that don't take up a slot.
Because of this, the best thing to do would be to apply the unslotted cost to everything else other than the primary ability. I also agree that applying similar is not a good idea, as there is no good reason for these bonuses (most of which are given by items already written in the book) to be CHEAPER when all on one item. So, without similar cost and applying the slotless cost that makes it around 70k. However, I agree that since the normal cost of Bracers of Armor (without applying the epic modifier) is around 144k, and this item is not THAT much worse, I'd have to eyeball it a bit more. Maybe 10 or 20 percent worse. For the most part, the practical difference is not much, the monk will be so much better than if he had bought items that are in the book. If we gave it the max discount I can see giving it, that reduces the cost from a 144k bracers to 120k. Seems pretty fair, considering. You have +12 armor with the advantage that you have lots of slots open and the disadvantage that you cannot stack very many items, however, you only need 1 or 2 more good items to get way too powerful ac, so that isn't much of a limiting factor.
This is pretty much said in the DMG as well. But the first step is always to figure out how it compares balance wise to items already in the book.
Ok, these prices look good. For 5 different items. Now, the fact that combining them into one slot means that they are EASILY more useful than buying the items each individually. Mainly because all you need to do is get an item that gives you an insight bonus to your ac, and you have lots of slots left to put it in. Or, buy a suit of full plate (if this wasn't a monk) and you can have a lot more AC.
You are right that bracers of armor +12 ARE in fact more powerful than this, but not by much. Your touch ac will be higher this way, and with the savings you are getting, you can probably afford some other item that will up your ac (like bracers of armor +8 for instance). Sean K Reynolds mentions this is his discussion, and it says in the DMG, but slots are commodities. Balance is partially maintained simply by running out of places to put new magic items on your body. What you are basically getting from this magic item is bracers of armor +4 and a bunch of other items that don't take up a slot.
Because of this, the best thing to do would be to apply the unslotted cost to everything else other than the primary ability. I also agree that applying similar is not a good idea, as there is no good reason for these bonuses (most of which are given by items already written in the book) to be CHEAPER when all on one item. So, without similar cost and applying the slotless cost that makes it around 70k. However, I agree that since the normal cost of Bracers of Armor (without applying the epic modifier) is around 144k, and this item is not THAT much worse, I'd have to eyeball it a bit more. Maybe 10 or 20 percent worse. For the most part, the practical difference is not much, the monk will be so much better than if he had bought items that are in the book. If we gave it the max discount I can see giving it, that reduces the cost from a 144k bracers to 120k. Seems pretty fair, considering. You have +12 armor with the advantage that you have lots of slots open and the disadvantage that you cannot stack very many items, however, you only need 1 or 2 more good items to get way too powerful ac, so that isn't much of a limiting factor.
