Unearthed Arcana Unearthed Arcana: Wizards & Warlocks -- Hexblades, Raven Queens, and Lore Mastery!

Master of Hexes
Starting at 14th level, you can use your
Hexblade’s Curse again without resting, but
when you apply it to a new target, the curse
immediately ends on the previous target.


Does this mean you can cast it one more time, or over and over again? And does the 1 minute duration reset upon a new target, or does it continue from the previous target?
 

jrowland

First Post
Forgive me for being offended by this, but that is relatively insulting to people who like the sorcerer.

"It isn't a problem of being under-powered or having another class take all your toys. You're just obsolete these days and that's the way it is"
Well, you should be offended if that was what I said. I was saying the reason for sorcerer is spontaneous casting and that is no longer a valid reason. I go on to point out that WotC gave it all the metamagic, likely to to give it a reason. I do think the sorcerer is underpowered. That *IS* the entirety of the problem (I use odd duck). It needs an overhaul, and I think WotC knows it, thus the numerous sorcerer builds.

Ranger is another one.

Try not to take offense where none is thrown. Sorcerer has a problem. WotC won't fix it if we can't acknowledge it.
 

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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Well, you should be offended if that was what I said. I was saying the reason for sorcerer is spontaneous casting and that is no longer a valid reason. I go on to point out that WotC gave it all the metamagic, likely to to give it a reason. I do think the sorcerer is underpowered. That *IS* the entirety of the problem (I use odd duck). It needs an overhaul, and I think WotC knows it, thus the numerous sorcerer builds.

Ranger is another one.

Try not to take offense where none is thrown. Sorcerer has a problem. WotC won't fix it if we can't acknowledge it.

Being an "odd duck" and having the "spontaneous casting" trope being an invalid "reason" for the sorcerer are not saying the sorcerer as a class is unneeded and invalid. You are reading too much into what I said.

Sorry. But you've gotta admit these lines:

Sorcerer was a fix for a problem/playstyle that is no longer valid. Sorcerer is the odd duck, imho, not the wizard, and not the Lore Master Archetype (which fits fine with other classes sans sorcerer, and other wizards).

The odd duck is the sorcerer.

Sounds a lot like that...
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
I agree... perhaps the vision is of a woman's hand penetrating from the surface of a glassy lake, clutching a pristine longsword (though Arthurian Legend skews strongly Archfey as well).

I remember Merlin. That one scene was worth the binge watch.
 

Chaosmancer

Legend
Well, you should be offended if that was what I said. I was saying the reason for sorcerer is spontaneous casting and that is no longer a valid reason. I go on to point out that WotC gave it all the metamagic, likely to to give it a reason. I do think the sorcerer is underpowered. That *IS* the entirety of the problem (I use odd duck). It needs an overhaul, and I think WotC knows it, thus the numerous sorcerer builds.

Ranger is another one.

Try not to take offense where none is thrown. Sorcerer has a problem. WotC won't fix it if we can't acknowledge it.


Okay, that is much more clear than what I thought you said the first time.

I apologize

However, I'm not sure I see WoTC moving on the issue of the sorcerer with how the UA went. Perhaps they'll surprise us, but they've put a lot to make the sorcerer "the metamagic class" and I don't think they've indicated a shift in that stance yet.
 


Chaosmancer

Legend
Well except for exploring a metamagic-lite wizard sub-class...thus the whole discussion in this read re:sorcerer.

Which reads more like "we're making wizards better than ever" rather than "we recognize the sorcerer has some faults and are looking at how to address those"
 

jrowland

First Post
Which reads more like "we're making wizards better than ever" rather than "we recognize the sorcerer has some faults and are looking at how to address those"

True. It does look that way. It could even be worse: Lore Master could be the placeholder name for the sorcerer archetype of wizards.

Personally I think its on par with recent UA's: Mishmashing of classes (Radiant Soul as sorcerer mashed cleric, Arcane Domain as cleric mashed wizard, Lore master as Wizard mashed sorcerer, etc)

The Truth(tm) is somewhere else entirely, I am sure.
 

I don't object to a warlock-lite or sorcerer-lite version of the wizard, as long as it is a "-lite" version, which the loremaster is patently not.

The warlock-lite wizard practically writes itself: you are a wizard, you make a deal, you get a familiar, if you tell the familiar the spells, you don't need to write them down in a spell book (telling the familiar the spells takes as long as writing them down), if the familiar dies one day, it will show up again the next day, and here are some spells the familiar already knows, which you can cast as soon as you can cast spells of that level.
 

Sascha

First Post
That's true. I completely glossed over the fact that none of the class features require you to hit it with a melee attack. An eldritch blast based Hexblade would be insane.


That's true, but It's not necesarily true. Every Warlock has the option to take de Spell Sniper Feat that makes the same effect and gives you another Cantrip.
 

Sascha

First Post
I like most of it. But charisma on attack rolls is too much. Way too much. That makes warlock multiclass too good. With a single level you have a great ranged and melee option. The curse on top. No thanks.

Tomelocks has the option to take the Shillelag Cantrip that enables the Warlock to use Cha to Attack/damage rolls... What´s the difference!?
 

Sascha

First Post
Warlocks don´t have 9th Level Spell Slots, the maximum ist 5th Level.

Curse Bringer, as mentioned, can´t be used with the Hexblade´s CHA-Attack-Modifier, because you get a Greatsword.

I only tell one thing, that you must to read before you write nonsenseless things... "MYSTIC ARCANUM"
 





Shadowdweller00

Adventurer
I think the Loremaster is a disgusting transgression against balance, flavor, and class niche. The initiative bonus, while not inherently overpowered, is not appropriate for any subclass that does not involve stealth, scouting, or seeing. It is most definitely not appropriate for a generalist subclass. Magic and spells in 5e have been deliberately balanced by energy type and save type; for example each class is proficient with a common save type and an uncommon save type. The ability to swap out spell saves is extremely powerful, let alone an unlimited number of times per day. That this has been combined with the capacity to swap energy type under the purlieu of a single, low-level class ability is beyond imbecilic from a balance perspective. As many have mentioned these also tread significantly and even overshadow the sorcerer's niche.

Better and more flavor-appropriate abilities for a generalist wizard might include items such as:
* The ability to prepare a few more spells per day; or possibly swap preparation of a couple spells partway through the day
* A couple more spell slots (particularly low-level) per day, perhaps via arcane recovery
* Some extra facility with consumable or charged magic items (retain or recharge with expenditure of spell slots, perhaps)
* Improved ability with ritual casting (perhaps reducing the time expenditure)
 

I think the Loremaster is a disgusting transgression against balance, flavor, and class niche. The initiative bonus, while not inherently overpowered, is not appropriate for any subclass that does not involve stealth, scouting, or seeing. It is most definitely not appropriate for a generalist subclass. Magic and spells in 5e have been deliberately balanced by energy type and save type; for example each class is proficient with a common save type and an uncommon save type. The ability to swap out spell saves is extremely powerful, let alone an unlimited number of times per day. That this has been combined with the capacity to swap energy type under the purlieu of a single, low-level class ability is beyond imbecilic from a balance perspective. As many have mentioned these also tread significantly and even overshadow the sorcerer's niche.
I don't think anything the loremaster does would be inappropriate... if it had to prepare the modified spells.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
I don't think anything the loremaster does would be inappropriate... if it had to prepare the modified spells.

There is noway I would allow the loremaster as written, not even a tamed version. Ok, I might, but only if both of the following happened:

The sorcerer class is errated to have double the spells known, 1.5 more sorcery points, more metamagic options -both to choose from and known, including elemental shift-, and full free reign over any spell ever.

Then the loremaster can keep those abilites, but the modified spells have to be prepared ahead of time, these are fire and forget, and only one version of each spell can be prepared ever. Oh, and the full class is errated to become more and more ghoulish and zombiesh over the levels and finally become a lich at 20th without a way out, yeah give them bonuses for it, but they have to become more and more monstruous period.

So basically, there is no way I'd ever allow it or play on a table that allows it.
 

There is noway I would allow the loremaster as written, not even a tamed version. Ok, I might, but only if both of the following happened:

The sorcerer class is errated to have double the spells known, 1.5 more sorcery points, more metamagic options -both to choose from and known, including elemental shift-, and full free reign over any spell ever.

Then the loremaster can keep those abilites, but the modified spells have to be prepared ahead of time, these are fire and forget, and only one version of each spell can be prepared ever. Oh, and the full class is errated to become more and more ghoulish and zombiesh over the levels and finally become a lich at 20th without a way out, yeah give them bonuses for it, but they have to become more and more monstruous period.

So basically, there is no way I'd ever allow it or play on a table that allows it.
Do you really think overt spitefulness is a good tone to adopt if you want your opinion to be taken seriously?
 

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