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D&D 5E What the fragmentation of D&D canon means for MtG

It occurred to me that with the fragmentation of D&D canon, if MtG wanted to make AFR MtG canon later on they no longer need to merge the multiverses, they just make MtG Forgotten Realms (and Hell) seperate canon from all the other FR canons, they could stick this version of the setting in the Blind Eternities with places like Hell connected Realmspace/Toril like Nyx and the Underworld are connected to Theros or the 10+ Realms of Kaldheim are connected to each other.
 

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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
It occurred to me that with the fragmentation of D&D canon, if MtG wanted to make AFR MtG canon later on they no longer need to merge the multiverses, they just make MtG Forgotten Realms (and Hell) seperate canon from all the other FR canons, they could stick this version of the setting in the Blind Eternities with places like Hell connected Realmspace/Toril like Nyx and the Underworld are connected to Theros or the 10+ Realms of Kaldheim are connected to each other.

Uh .....

I think I finally understand what it feels like to read one of my threads.
 

Bolares

Hero
They could, but I doubt they would. Because it would mess up their own canon with things in FR that don't work in the MTG multiverse. They are making bank with the separate canons, so I doubt they would see a need to change.
 

Bolares

Hero
And changing FR to make it fit on MTG's canon would make it really similar do Dominaria, and they don't want that. AFR sells well because it is D&D in magic, making it less D&D would possibly make it less appealling
 


They could, but I doubt they would. Because it would mess up their own canon with things in FR that don't work in the MTG multiverse. They are making bank with the separate canons, so I doubt they would see a need to change.

Except if its a seperate canon for the MtG FR, then how it works could be different to 5e/4e/3e/2e/1e/novel/comics/video game FRs, more in line with other MtG settings, nothing in AFR actually violates anything in MtG, except maybe the Planeswalker cards and they can work around that easily enough (like making the D&D stuff a planar cluster with Planeswalkers who can move between them, but not between the Blind Eternities to places like Theros.
 

I think it’s obvious they want to reserve the option for themselves to make AFR canon in the future, hence why it doesn’t have the Universes Beyond label. I don’t think they have any immediate plans to do so, but of course they want to leave the option open.

If they do what do you think is the best way to do it?
 



I guess now the canon is going to be very flexible. For example, a character could be renamed because in other country with a different language it sounds too close to an unpleased word. For example Kagami Tsurigi, from "Prodigious, the adventres of Ladybug and Cat-Noir" the name was changed into Agami in the Spanish-latin dubbing because Kagami sounds too close to certain verb about a dirty action in the bathroom. And I have used this because is an innocent example, but Hasbro could self-censure to can sell in other countries.

Hasbro could order a redesign of the cosmology of D&D multiverse to can add later "ideas and elements from outer sources". For example a fantasy mash-up M.A.S.K crossovering with Kaladesh.

* Now I remember kagonesti, the wild elves from Dragonlance, sounds a horrible name for Spanish-speakers. It sounds like a verb about a dirty action you do sitting in the toilet. Maybe the name should be changed in the Spanish-language editions.
 
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Charlaquin

Goblin Queen
If they do what do you think is the best way to do it?
Well, personally I think it would be better to not do it, and like I said I don’t think they have actual plans to, they just want to make sure if they decide later on that they want to, they still can. If they did, I think the best thing to do would be to do another set in a D&D world and tie it in to whatever’s going on in the MtG plot at the time. Phyrexians invade Toril or something. Then announce that, now that D&D crossover is becoming canon, AFR is retroactively canon too.

Like I said though, I don’t think they’re planning to, and I would prefer they don’t.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I don't think they are worried about this at all.

Yeah. Using styling and IP between games seems like low-hanging fruit they'd be dumb to pass up.

Having a unified canon between the games is simply unnecessary, unless you want GAMEPLAY of the two to be related. Especially when gameplay of either game is not strongly dependent on the canon of either game.
 

Bolares

Hero
And all this is assuming the canon changes are recent and make any difference in how WotC views the brand cross over. All they've said about it until now points to the changes in canon starting with the beggining of 5e... way before there was even discussion of a cross over
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Yeah. Using styling and IP between games seems like low-hanging fruit they'd be dumb to pass up.

Having a unified canon between the games is simply unnecessary, unless you want GAMEPLAY of the two to be related. Especially when gameplay of either game is not strongly dependent on the canon of either game.

Yeah, they seem pretty happy with the handwaving away of how these crossovers work.

The separate teams seem well aware that too much crossover, like Mordenkainen meeting Chandra, is more likely to be unpopular than popular. At the same time, they know that MTG Setting books, or D&D Magic Cards, are likely to sell well. So they say "Oh, that cardset is non-canon," or "Oh, that Setting doesn't interact with the Great Wheel."

For the most part, folks don't seem to care too much; the folks who want more crossover do it themselves in their home-games, and the folks who want less can point to WotC statements saying that crossovers are non-canon.

It's a weird limbo between two worlds, but it's unlikely to ever change from this much.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Yeah, they seem pretty happy with the handwaving away of how these crossovers work.

The separate teams seem well aware that too much crossover, like Mordenkainen meeting Chandra, is more likely to be unpopular than popular. At the same time, they know that MTG Setting books, or D&D Magic Cards, are likely to sell well. So they say "Oh, that cardset is non-canon," or "Oh, that Setting doesn't interact with the Great Wheel."

I mean, all they really have to do is not put MtG stuff into official D&D adventures and fiction.
 




Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
It's a good thing that it's not fragmentation of the FR cannon, otherwise it's 10d6 fire + 10d6 slashing to everyone within a 50 foot radius.
 
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