Where are the rapiers?

[Zamkaizer]

NINJAS 1 x 0 PIRATES

So totally houseruling all manner of cutlasses, sabers, and scimitars into my rogues.

 

[JVisgaitis]

I don't mind that rapiers aren't around. Its a fantasy setting and they seem to be trying to get away with the whole European influence. Not only that, rapiers were fine at a time when everyone was using them, but a rapier going against a guy in chainmail wielding a greatsword? Insanity. The guy with the rapier would be toast.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

That is why I like the side-sword since it was a common weapon in the in-between time-period of heavy plate-armour and lighter armour/leather being common. So it makes sense in the D&D to exist since both light-leather fighters and heavy plate-armour knights exist side-by-side.

 

[BulletMagnet]

I don't mind that rapiers aren't around. Its a fantasy setting and they seem to be trying to get away with the whole European influence. Not only that, rapiers were fine at a time when everyone was using them, but a rapier going against a guy in chainmail wielding a greatsword? Insanity. The guy with the rapier would be toast.

You my friend, obviously have not seen Rob Roy....

 

[Klaus]

I don't mind that rapiers aren't around. Its a fantasy setting and they seem to be trying to get away with the whole European influence. Not only that, rapiers were fine at a time when everyone was using them, but a rapier going against a guy in chainmail wielding a greatsword? Insanity. The guy with the rapier would be toast.

I'm having flashbacks of Tim Roth skewering a heavy-sword-wielding Scot with a rapier, in Rob Roy.

I think, in 4e, short sword = rapier = short sword.

 

[Celebrim]

There are alot of possibilities here. I don't know where they went, but based on some earlier previews I'm still fearing that we are going to see a Diablo-like mechanic.

Rogue: proficiency 'Short Sword'
Rogue Paragon Path: proficiency 'Rapier'
Rogue Epic Path: proficiency 'Cut-and-Thrust Sword'

That is to say, I wouldn't be too surprised if 'Rapier' was something you couldn't be proficient in prior to 11th level.

 

[Zaran]

I'm having flashbacks of Tim Roth skewering a heavy-sword-wielding Scot with a rapier, in Rob Roy.

I think, in 4e, short sword = rapier = short sword.

I hope you are right. Every time i turn around they remove something else that I liked about dnd.

 

[Pale Jackal]

Agreed, except you'd have to explain how all the monsters work with a pre-modern society.

I'm not sure if this answers your question, but you triggered this thought: the "Old World" could be largely free of monsters (or maybe they have strongholds in the mountains, or underground or there's still dragons or the occassional graveyard a necromancer has put to sinister uses) while the "New World" is still teeming with monster wild life.

Of course, you could've meant how monsters interact with the New World, as opposed to the Old World.

Rapiers and shurikens, oh my!

I wouldn't mind if they consolidated several weapons, then you can choose based on style rather than stats. Of course, you could easily house rule that, I suppose.

As for shurikens being part of a rogue's expertise? If you prefer, just call them throwing knives.

 

[hong]

I'm not sure if this answers your question, but you triggered this thought: the "Old World" could be largely free of monsters (or maybe they have strongholds in the mountains, or underground or there's still dragons or the occassional graveyard a necromancer has put to sinister uses) while the "New World" is still teeming with monster wild life.

Of course, you could've meant how monsters interact with the New World, as opposed to the Old World.

Lager Lout: level 3 minion, 20 hp, atk +4 (beer mug, 1d8+2), Reflex +2, AC +3, Fort +4, Will +1

 

[Andor]

I'm having flashbacks of Tim Roth skewering a heavy-sword-wielding Scot with a rapier, in Rob Roy.

I think, in 4e, short sword = rapier = short sword.

That would be odd. Given that a rapier is only about 20" longer than a short sword and weilded quite differently. Heck it would make more sense to fold the long sword and short sword together than the rapier.

I suppose I could see the long sword and rapier being the same weapon, given that I've always thought of the longsword as basically being a cut and thrust sword with a more primitive hilt.

I suppose it depends on if they still distinguish between slashing and thrusting weapons. Given the simplifications we've been seeing in 4e so far it wouldn't surprise me.

That would be... disappointing however.