Does anyone even know WHAT are those expectations to begin with?Speaking of popular, if the fighter only got votes because it was popular (instead of a well designed class), how do you explain the ranger getting so low? The ranger is more popular than most classes in most games thanks to Arragorn and Drizzt. And yet, it’s super low below all the other classes.
perhaps, people actually read the OP and knew what they were voting for, and the “it only got votes cuz popular” isn’t actually true, but it got votes because it does what people expect it to do, and well.
And the ranger was poorly designed to expectations....
I think you mean "Band", not group.I dunno. I've joined games where no one knew what characters the others were creating and have had a few where several made bards. In one case it was 4 bards and a rogue. The rogue player threw up his hands, took the entertainer background, and went arcane trickster so he could fit the theme.
We also tended to avoid direct combat as much as possible. It's one of the squishiest groups I was ever in as well.
Not being the only class that has actual dead levels -- thanks to Natural Explorer, Favored Enemy, Hide In Plain Sight and Foe Slayer being worthless in many campaigns -- would've been a nice start.Does anyone even know WHAT are those expectations to begin with?
the bard is my least favorite class, so I feel your pain.WOW! THANKS EVERYONE!!!
I got home from work and BAM! nearly three new pages of posts! I am happy to see the poll finally topped 100. Hopefully, more people will chime in and cast their votes as well.
(Of course, I am disappointed people continue to rate the bard so highly... but them's the breaks. )
Whats up with the Druid?I feel like it's the best version of the Druid since 1e... mainly on the basis of it being the closest we've come to the awesome of the 1e druid - without the dead man's shoes advancement & hard level cap.
It's a neo-Vancian caster with a pretty nifty class power, so a strong candidate by the numbers.
But it's also perennially among the least popular classes (though that didn't stop the Bard). ::sigh::
Dont forget Hob and Hobs.But, Robert - and it's many diminutives, Bob, Bobby, Rob, Robby, Bert, and Robin (yes, really) - is among the most popular names in history! You're totally missing out.
Mod Note:That isn't harassment. The forum rules allow me to quote people that have ignored me.
Mod Note:Off topic. But I wonder if it can be construed as harassment if you don't want someone posting in the same thread as you and they continue to do so?
I also think it's the worst class, so I got both bases covered!This poll asked for the Best classes, not the Favorite ones.
And we already have mountains of data for that.
I'm looking forward to your thoughts here: 5E - Time to remake the BardI also think it's the worst class, so I got both bases covered!
If you're curious as to why, I think they made the bard too powerful to satiate the people who want to be more special than everyone else. I.e, the "I want to be able to be best at everything--fighting, exploration, and magic, so I'll be a bard!" Being able to essentially steal other classes spells is the cherry on top in this regard.
I voted a while ago, but my top 3 classes that I think are best for how they are designed for what I want/expect, it's cleric, druid, and fighter.
You might be right... I'm not one to advocate for that kind of bloat but maybe the Druid needs more spell choices... but probably shouldn't follow the Cleric way of prepping spells if that were the case.Whats up with the Druid?
I played a 1e Druid, and loved it.
But, 5e, Im not getting into it, and cant put my finger on why.
Maybe part of it is the inability to specialize. Want weather magic, get stuck with animal shapes. Want to shapeshift, get stuck with the four elements.
For me the Druid is:
• Plant-animal mage
• Elemental mage
Each of these could have been a separate Druid archetype.
It would be nice to specialize in one aspect, and only dabble in the others if choosing to.
But I feel every Druid is a gish, a warrior-mage.