Henadic Theologian
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Have you looked at CW ratings...? They have a niche, but it it niche AF.
Their niche is millenials.
Have you looked at CW ratings...? They have a niche, but it it niche AF.
Somewhere about 67th. I think that's what they call "also ran". On that basis WotC would be well advised to create a Paddington Bear campaign setting!
Forgotten Realms doesn't even make the list! 20 million + less than 15 million doesn't make 100 million!It includes all 150 Dragonlance novels combined, of they did that with all the FR novels it would near the top of the list.
Forgotten Realms doesn't even make the list! 20 million + less than 15 million doesn't make 100 million!
That wiki also lists individual novel best sellers, and I can't see Salvatore's name up there - I looked.FR out sold DL, WotC straight up said FR is the most popular D&D setting. They counted every since DL book, 150 of them, they didn't do that for FR novels. Which D&D author has been on the best sellers list more then RA Salvatore?
That wiki also lists individual novel best sellers, and I can't see Salvatore's name up there - I looked.
So I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is: Weis & Hickman.
Hate anything that pulls out of a book. And hate boxed sets. But... I would kill for a very good detailed greyhawk hardback about 600 pages that really detailed the setting. Same with the known world. Hate mystara. Love the known world.I'm still hoping for a beautiful and detailed Greyhawk setting book with a pull out map.
Hate anything that pulls out of a book. And hate boxed sets. But... I would kill for a very good detailed greyhawk hardback about 600 pages that really detailed the setting. Same with the known world. Hate mystara. Love the known world.
OK, so there's nothing official about "core rules settings." I hear your perspective about differing from the core rules would represent a change from Greyhawk in terms of the settings relationship to the D&D rules, but you could also say that adding newer elements that weren't present in the original presentation is also a "change from what Greyhawk was in the past." It depends upon how you want to look at it. Your perspective emphasizes the crunch, mine the fluff.Core rules means "doesn't have setting-specific rules". Greyhawk has always used core rules. Gygax never excluded any races, for example.
Now, it would be possible to re-invent Greyhawk as a non-core rules setting. There is clearly a demand for a gritty low magic setting for 5e, and they could make Greyhawk that. But that would be a change from what Greyhawk was in the past, not a continuation. Anyway, GoS indicates WotC still consider Greyhawk core rules.
Dark Sun is not a core rules setting, never has been.
Boxed sets have to be stored carefully or they fall apart easily imho. Now i still have all my boxed sets from over 30 years ago. But I ice to watch them. Make sure no one stacks things on top of them. Make sure the contents are placed back of someone decides to reference them. It’s a hassle I don’t like. And books. I hate lull outs because I hate defacing a book. It bothers me if it is not intact as originally manufactured. That’s just me and my hang ups. If they sell maps. I want them sold separately.Please explain the difference.
That game doesn't work like that. If you buy a setting book it is additive to the existing rulebooks. So if you want to have a setting without dragonborn you have to add a rule "In this setting players cannot choose to play as dragonborn".I personally like the idea of preserving "legacy settings" in the form in which they were originally presented, at least for the most part. That's why I suggested a Greyhawk product that presents the classic setting but with appendices about incorporating newer ideas as options (e.g. dragonborn). By updating every legacy setting to include every idea that has come after it was conceived ends up with a kind of homogenization and runs the risk of lessening what makes that setting unique.
Indeed. There's also another thing: you are free to pick and choose what you like. I'm currently running a GH campaign (based on GoS) and I, together with my players, decided to have just the "AD&D" races, so there are no dragonborns in this specific campaign.They don't. There are no dragonborn in Theros.
Greyhawk, unlike Theros, is a core rules setting. And dragonborn are core rules.
If they owned the rights, I'm sure they would do Paddington Bear. 67th out of literally millions of contenders is "one of the best sell book series" in my book. Top 100 selling of all time is impressive in literature.Somewhere about 67th. I think that's what they call "also ran". On that basis WotC would be well advised to create a Paddington Bear campaign setting!
A fraction of Millenials, dude. The CW does not get a huge number of eyeballs, even Millenial eyeballs. Speaking as a Millenial who enjoys some CW shows, some more ironically than others.Their niche is millenials.
And therein lies my point: Forgotten Realms is D&D'Souza signature Setting, but Dragonlance is the signature literary subbrand.That wiki also lists individual novel best sellers, and I can't see Salvatore's name up there - I looked.
So I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is: Weis & Hickman.
For some context: there are over 72 million Millenials in the U.S., and CW struggles to get up to 2 million viewers for their relative hits. That's a fraction of the Millenials who play 5E, and that 2 million is not all Millenials.Their niche is millenials.
If you look at people that age reading the core Dragonlance books, and how they react to them (on the fantasy book reddit and stuff), you'll quickly see that, whilst fantasy doesn't all age as quickly, DL absolutely has aged too much to work for people today. The characters and their attitudes really smack of a very specific era, a sort of late '70s vibe is extremely strong with it (even though it was written in the mid '80s it seems pre-'80s), and it doesn't have a lot of style. Nor does it come across as "classic" or "timeless" in the way Tolkien, for example does.In think dragonlance chronicles if they keep marketing it properly could be around a very long time marketed to the late teen and early twenty readers. Fantasy does not age as quickly as sci-fi.
Not disagreeing per se but isn't this because Millennials don't watch things on network TV? They often watch the same shows but via streaming. Or is that factored in to the 2m views? I know in the UK things get pretty complicated by that. Like when the BBC has something that's a big hit with millennials, often actual viewers at the actual time is pretty low, then there'll be this long tail of streaming views, whereas if they do something which is also a hit with Boomers and Gen X, you have a hell of lot more people watching it at actual time of broadcast, but the streaming views are relatively lower.For some context: there are over 72 million Millenials in the U.S., and CW struggles to get up to 2 million viewers for their relative hits. That's a fraction of the Millenials who play 5E, and that 2 million is not all Millenials.
It's a niche network, with niche appeal.