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Stormonu

Legend
I have the same problem as the OP. I read a lot more than I speak, and thus I get words in my head a certain way, and then never get them out again. My gaming group has vast fun with this, especially since my usual DMing gig gives me lots of chances to mess up. I think on some of the words, they've given up. :D

It also doesn't help any that my Dad is one of those characters that likes to deliberately butcher words, similar to the Marx brothers. He's said "anoymous" for "unanimous" so long that he has to think before using either correctly. Grow up with that while reading D&D, and it rubs off on you.

Oh, don't go thinking I'm some high-faluting master of English - those words I mentioned (and many more...) have been problems for me (esp. hors d'ouerves - try finding that one in a dictionary by sounding it out). I too had a dad whose pronuciation was the worst - he reminds me (in looks and attitude) of Archie Bunker from All in the Family.
 

Crazy Jerome

First Post
Are there still people out there who pronounce "Celtic" with a soft c to refer to anything other than a basketball team?

Probably not as many that pronounce Circe the same way, instead of "Kir ke". Though that brings up the whole business of only halfway translating words to English, presumably to sound more sophisticated. Olympic broadcasters are particularly annoying in this way.

I'd love to have seen a William Safire essay on the speaking patterns of Bob Costas. :p
 

Crazy Jerome

First Post
Oh, don't go thinking I'm some high-faluting master of English - those words I mentioned (and many more...) have been problems for me (esp. hors d'ouerves - try finding that one in a dictionary by sounding it out). I too had a dad whose pronuciation was the worst - he reminds me (in looks and attitude) of Archie Bunker from All in the Family.

Heh, mine is more like Mel Blanc. I'm a natural mimic with bad hearing. It's a very bad combination. Even when I know better, I say things wrong.
 

Thotas

First Post
Probably not as many that pronounce Circe the same way, instead of "Kir ke".

Years ago, I corrected someone who used a soft c when saying "Celtic". She told me she knew better, but since most people didn't, she used the improper form so as to be understood. "Circe" and a lot of other Greek words with "c"s will probably have to be corrected individually the same way.
 

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
irregards of the mispronunciation . . . . .oh, wait. that word was my bad pronuciator, regardless, not irregardless!
 


Stormonu

Legend
I think this about sums it up

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!
 


Thought of another one which tripped me up not so very long ago - gaol, gaoler. Never had seen that spelling. Had no clue what it was. I started pronouncing it like GOW-el, GOW-el-ur. Then I think I was playing Neverwinter Nights and in the game it was being pronounced jail/jailer and I finally grokked what was happening. "We'll spell it in Auld English/Welsh/Gaelic/Urdu/Mandarin because that will make us seem erudite and COOL!"
 

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