D&D 5E WotC has updated the Hadozee glide ability on DnDBeyond

[GMforPowergamers]

Hey WotC, bite the bullet and release the new hadozee with the lore and glide change for free on D&D Beyond. You'll lose $1.99 in sales and gain a lot of goodwill by making those changes free to everyone with the race in the char generator as mea culpa.

I think that is good, but if they put out a PDF I would except it. As is, I already had a talk with one of my DMs who doesn't have any paid for beyond content and doesn't like this site literally said "They didn't fix it for me, and no I trust you BUT i don't take errata from friends,"

 

[Zubatcarteira]

I don't know about that. I participated and lurked in quite a few discussions about the Spelljammer UA, and no one that I saw found the interaction with jumping back then. I'm guessing that the official release drew more attention to the broken mechanic than the playtest did.

So do you think they are not responding to feedback?

I saw a lot of people pointing it out, mostly on Reddit and Discord, the biggest question was if it'd actually work since it didn't specify if the gliding used your movement or not. Then in the official release they specified that it did not, indeed, spend movement.

So, if anything, it seems like they saw the feedback, decided to clarify stuff to make it stronger, then nerfed it after release. Just bizarre.

 

[AnotherGuy]

And when DND Beyond becomes the only official source for D&D content, I guess we're out of luck if we don't buy from them?

The silver-lining being, it will certainly free some shelf space.

 

[Mort]

I think that is good, but if they put out a PDF I would except it. As is, I already had a talk with one of my DMs who doesn't have any paid for beyond content and doesn't like this site literally said "They didn't fix it for me, and no I trust you BUT i don't take errata from friends,"

It's also on Reddit and D&D beyond. Or someone can email him a screenshot of the change.

Plus, it hasn't even been a day. They will likely publicize the changes fairly soon.

 

[Retreater]

The silver-lining being, it will certainly free some shelf space.

That's true. I do like PDF copies - but those are PDFs not a proprietary format. I like to be able to print what I need or paste the pictures/maps into the VTT I'm using. I like being able to download and read them without wi-fi access (like I did on a cross-country train trip last summer).
I like being able to go through a site like DriveThru and see everything I've got - including 3PPs, previous editions, and other game systems.

 

[Umbran]

You know, if any of the gliding controversy was done by a European contributor, I wouldn’t hold it against them. We can’t expect everyone outside the US to be fully cognizant of our gliding issues.

Mod Note:
Oh, look! Someone trying to be cute with subtext, as if the outright insult to our intelligence will protect them.

How about not. You're done in this discussion.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I don't mind too much because I would rather to buy the translated version, and then all the possible erratas should be fixed.

 

[Demetrios1453]

I've never seen so many people upset that the errata over something that no player or DM outside the most pedantic rules lawyer would ever try wasn't released in the exact way they wanted, and that someone might see it before they do (ignoring that it was posted immediately here and that it will inevitably be released officially soon anyway).

 

[GMforPowergamers]

It's also on Reddit and D&D beyond. Or someone can email him a screenshot of the change.

Plus, it hasn't even been a day. They will likely publicize the changes fairly soon.

those aren't official statements (and I do disagree with him but since then 2 players have sided with him) I can say anything, so can anyone on enworld, and anyone can alter screenshots, we even have people in our group that write up new sublcasses to look like WotC material... he only accepts WotC and that race is banned until WotC relapses something errating it.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I don't mind too much because I would rather to buy the translated version, and then all the possible erratas should be fixed.

With a whole new set of errors introduced by mistranslation...

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I've never seen so many people upset that the errata over something that no player or DM outside the most pedantic rules lawyer would ever try wasn't released in the exact way they wanted, and that someone might see it before they do (ignoring that it was posted immediately here and that it will inevitably be released officially soon anyway).

not 'not see it' and as you see part of the errata can't be talked about here by rules... so instead of getting a PDF or website or something from WotC we just have to wait for someone that paid to share with us, then hope the other people in our group except what is basically "I kind of know a guy who DOES have the inside scoop of WotC and I trust him and you should trust me," followed by "Oh I don't know the person in real life, I know them online... and not there real name just a screen name on (enworld/reddit/twitter)"

"I know a guy who I trust" is the dumbest way to share errata ever

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Brief thoughts-

1. It really is unfortunate that they had to change the glide ability just because some people thought of a way to abuse RAW and jump. The new rule doesn't match the fiction very well, especially when the Hardozee is at a great height.


2. I don't fully understand the outrage about the errata appearing on D&D Beyond. I'm a book person myself- I will not be paying for D&D beyond (although I did get a free account for the playtest material). But prior to this, we still had to wait a long time for errata to be released. Now they are moving to their digital platform- but they will still release the errata as they used to.

The bigger concern isn't the errata (seriously), it's the overall move to D&D Beyond. It's all going there- the UA. The surveys. All of it. The errata really is meaningless if you use the books - assumedly, we will get a full release on all errata at the same time we normally do. The bigger concern is that it is clear that all the engagement is moving to Beyond. That's the story.

 

[Retreater]

I've never seen so many people upset that the errata over something that no player or DM outside the most pedantic rules lawyer would ever try wasn't released in the exact way they wanted, and that someone might see it before they do (ignoring that it was posted immediately here and that it will inevitably be released officially soon anyway).

It's that the book has been out 2 weeks. It's that you have to buy the book through their official online channel (instead of local gaming shops, brick and mortar, etc.) It's that their latest errata dates back to Dec 2021 (which is hardly in "the blink of an eye").
It's basic customer service to give the same level of service to your customers regardless of how they access your company. My butt would be toast if I just hung up on a phone caller instead of giving them help like a person who comes in person.
All this while trying to reassure their existing fans that nothing major is changing with the new distribution model of 6E.
Yeah, we have a right to be concerned.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

2. I don't fully understand the outrage about the errata appearing on D&D Beyond.

becuse 1 thing being changed is annoying but we got it here... and when I went to look, I could not confirm it (but I have no reason not to believe it) then we were told more things got changed but that is a topic we can't talk about (and I got lucky someone PMed me it) now even those that are not on here we have to tell "Oh they fixed it, here is how, you can only actually see the fix (for now atleast) if you pay for it"

do you not understand how "the fix is behind a paywall" can lead to issues and hurt feelings?

I'm a book person myself- I will not be paying for D&D beyond (although I did get a free account for the playtest material).

same boat... but as my friends group chat is blowing up right now we are debating if one of us HAS to buy things through Beyond so we can keep up... and that is annoying.

But prior to this, we still had to wait a long time for errata to be released. Now they are moving to their digital platform- but they will still release the errata as they used to.

maybe... we assume. Has WotC said "don't worry the free version is coming"?

The bigger concern isn't the errata (seriously), it's the overall move to D&D Beyond.

that is it... up until last night when this hit I saw a Beyond account as a little thing that would help organize things... now I am seeing it as a new way to distribute updates.

It's all going there- the UA. The surveys. All of it. The errata really is meaningless if you use the books - assumedly, we will get a full release on all errata at the same time we normally do. The bigger concern is that it is clear that all the engagement is moving to Beyond. That's the story.

the more that moves there the more it will be needed... as long as it's free it is annoying but I can deal, putting updates behind a paywall is a step too far for me.

 

[The Glen]

Well there goes the motivation for my new character Stuka the Dauntless, Hadozee Paladin

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Well there goes the motivation for my new character Stuka the Dauntless, Hadozee Paladin

hey look at it this way if you find a DM that doesn't use this site or redit, and bought a physical book they wont know it doesn't work... even if they go to WotC site every day and have a free Beyond account

 

[Mistwell]

I've never seen so many people upset that the errata over something that no player or DM outside the most pedantic rules lawyer would ever try wasn't released in the exact way they wanted, and that someone might see it before they do (ignoring that it was posted immediately here and that it will inevitably be released officially soon anyway).

The 150 move was of course the extreme but there were many less extreme ways to get obscene movement out of this race which was not intended. It was obviously written poorly from the get go and a lot of people pointed it out during playtesting.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Edit. Never mind.

 

[Mistwell]

Brief thoughts-

1. It really is unfortunate that they had to change the glide ability just because some people thought of a way to abuse RAW and jump. The new rule doesn't match the fiction very well, especially when the Hardozee is at a great height.

All they had to do was change the existing text to state that you couldn't move more than your movement in a round, just like jumping counts against your movement in a round, and it would have worked fine. I don't understand why they decided to change the ability so much.

I think the biggest reason for the reaction here is concern that, with so many people pointing it out in multiple playtest surveys, why didn't they fix it before publication and does this say something larger about the playtests and surveys which we should be concerned about with a new version of core books being planned.

 

[Cadence]

Would the easy thing have been to make it work like feather fall* with some amount of horizontal movement per round that wasn't ridiculous? (Maybe, up to the distance fallen? Or twice the distance fallen?)


*"descent slows to 60 feet per round until the spell ends. If the creature lands before the [effect] ends, it takes no falling damage and can land on its feet, and the [effect] ends for that creature."