D&D (2024) You're not planning on getting 2024 D&D? Why is that?

[TiQuinn]

Two reasons:

1) We’ve moved on to other non D&D systems entirely and are enjoying those.

2) There’s no sense of urgency to buy this edition. 5e plays just fine and no one in our group has a problem playing 5e.

 

[Stoutstien]

Really? That's interesting. I guess I was thinking of characters and their abilities--skills instead of roleplaying, bonus actions, reactions...it's all mechanical instead of (I will use a loaded word) creative.
Here's an example: in 5e, you just roll Persuasion instead of having to role-play being persuasive and having the GM decide if you were successful or not. That's a rule (persuasion as a skill) vs. a ruling (you convinced the hobgoblin...)

You still need to describe how you are attempting to persuade the hobgoblin. It doesn't necessarily need to be in first person. It's built right into the core action resolution where the players describe their action and then the GM determines how to resolve it. Importantly in this case, using persuasion<skill> is not an action.

5e splits the middle between the world sim style of roll to resolve and the GM adjudication method.

 

[GothmogIV]

You still need to describe how you are attempting to persuade the hobgoblin. It doesn't necessarily need to be in first person. It's built right into the core action resolution where the players describe their action and then the GM determines how to resolve it. Importantly in this case, using persuasion<skill> is not an action.

5e splits the middle between the world sim style of roll to resolve and the GM adjudication method.

So why have a persuasion skill, then? Why not just persuade, instead of having the DM call for a persuasion roll? Or intimidation? I'm not saying these are bad things; they are just not things that add to the games I run. To each their own, my friend! Enjoy playing with your friends.

 

[Stormonu]

So why have a persuasion skill, then? Why not just persuade, instead of having the DM call for a persuasion roll? Or intimidation? I'm not saying these are bad things; they are just not things that add to the games I run. To each their own, my friend! Enjoy playing with your friends.

Because it gives the wallflower a chance to be a hero where in real life they'd suck at it. It also keeps the glib-tongued player who put an 8 in their Charisma from charming the pants off everyone they meet.

I've seen both instances in play and while I always enjoy someone going the distance to put some effort into being their character it does put rails or bumpers on the game to put a degree of separation from the player and the character.

 

[Stoutstien]

So why have a persuasion skill, then? Why not just persuade, instead of having the DM call for a persuasion roll? Or intimidation? I'm not saying these are bad things; they are just not things that add to the games I run. To each their own, my friend! Enjoy playing with your friends.

Those questions are addressed in the PHB no added rules needed.

 

[Maxperson]

until the errata is out, yes

Even then. I doubt even a majority of player know of or look at the errata. Then there's the fact that errata aren't rules. They're clarifications of what was intended, but don't have the weight of a rule.

When a new print run updates something in the PHB, it will be a rule for those who buy that book. Rulings will still be required for everyone else who does not know of or choose to follow the errata.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm curious to see if the PHB DnD / DMG DnD difference is sustained in 2024.

I'm not sure what that means.

 

[Maxperson]

Really? That's interesting. I guess I was thinking of characters and their abilities--skills instead of roleplaying, bonus actions, reactions...it's all mechanical instead of (I will use a loaded word) creative.
Here's an example: in 5e, you just roll Persuasion instead of having to role-play being persuasive and having the GM decide if you were successful or not. That's a rule (persuasion as a skill) vs. a ruling (you convinced the hobgoblin...)

In addition to the play order that @Stoutstien mentioned, players can't choose to roll any skill at all. Only the DM can call for a roll for an ability check, and even then the rule is to only roll if the outcome is in doubt and failure has meaning. The rest of the time the DM simply rules success or failure depending on what was described. And it's the DM who decides what is sufficient to call for a roll, which in most cases that I've seen DMs post here is after the player roleplays out what his character is doing socially in the fiction.

 

[Maxperson]

So why have a persuasion skill, then? Why not just persuade, instead of having the DM call for a persuasion roll? Or intimidation?

Because many times what is roleplayed might or might not work. It has a chance, but is not guaranteed. In those situations if the DM just decides yes or no based on his whim, that's not fair to the players. A roll is fair and the persuasion skill is generally the way to do it.

 

[M.L. Martin]

The game has very little left that interests me, and WotC doesn't think I'm worthy of it.