Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

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"Heh. I've been asked this many times before, and although part of me wonders what's the point of all "who's more powerful?" questions, the answer is: it depends. In terms of raw personal BATTLE power, the answer is likely Vecna. Though so much of his power is vested in his Hand and his Eye that unless they can all be in one place, Larloch might pack more punch. Not that he would fight toe-to-toe in battle, because that isn't Larloch's way; he views liches who do that as idiot failures. Larloch's way is to manipulate from behind the scenes to lead anyone seeking him, or trying to cross him, astray, so they never come into contact with him. If need be, he'd hurl his many, many servitor liches at them, most of whom are personally more powerful than Acererak.

Larloch and Vecna both have a wider reach and influence on the worlds around them than Acererak, so if you're measuring that way, Acererak is left behind. But when it comes to measuring Larloch and Vecna against each other in terms of influence, it's a matter of style: Vecna has the greater fear-reputation and is "noisier," and Larloch is more the master manipulator, who works unseen. As in, you may never know how much he's affected you. I can only go by what Elminster (and on rare occasions Storm, or Laeral, or Volo[!]) tell me of the Realms, and the three Chosen of Mystra all think Larloch (even wherever he is now, bested by the Srinshee) is the greater threat. As El put it, "Vecna is a bogeyman, and his relics do harm. Larloch undresses thee and ye never even know it." Larloch plays the longer game, and is more patient and empathic and has a greater understanding of the multiverse, whereas Vecna is more self-centered. I trust El's judgment, because I must; without it, none of us know ANYTHING about the Realms.

Acererak is feared throughout the multiverse because he's an almost-always-active destructive force. However, that's a one-trick pony. "Hah! I shall destroy you TWICE!!!" ;}"
 

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Satyrn

First Post
Batlich. Since he can beat Superlich, he can beat any lich.


But seriously . . . "seriously" heh . . . I'll go with Vecna as my sentimental favorite. I hope that's not like cheering for the Bills.
 




Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Larloch was so behind the scenes that even the DMs haven't heard from him - so he has never existed in many (most?) worlds.

It seems he appeared in two FR books (not part of my consumption of the hobby) and a single AD&D 2nd ed product (Netheril: Empire of Magic) and hasn't been reprinted since WotC acquired D&D. Was also a bit part in Balder's Gate II: Electric Boogaloo ... I mean Extended Edition.

Anyway, Vecna can wipe the floor with upstart Acererak.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
Larloch was so behind the scenes that even the DMs haven't heard from him - so he has never existed in many (most?) worlds.

It seems he appeared in two FR books (not part of my consumption of the hobby) and a single AD&D 2nd ed product (Netheril: Empire of Magic) and hasn't been reprinted since WotC acquired D&D. Was also a bit part in Balder's Gate II: Electric Boogaloo ... I mean Extended Edition.

He was given a stat block in the 3E Lords of Darkness book. That portrays him as being a "wizard 20/epic 12" lich (those stats predate the Epic Level Handbook, so they look a bit wonky when viewed through that lens). As I recall, that's also more than ten levels below what Ed has typically said Larloch's level is.
 

Iry

Hero
Vecna is certainly the most powerful on this list, from a raw supernatural might standpoint.
Larloch is the most interesting and intelligent on this list, and he has giant piles of artifacts and allies.
Acererak is bringing up the rear, even with his god killing potential. The other two are that strong.
It seems he appeared in two FR books (not part of my consumption of the hobby) and a single AD&D 2nd ed product (Netheril: Empire of Magic) and hasn't been reprinted since WotC acquired D&D. Was also a bit part in Balder's Gate II: Electric Boogaloo ... I mean Extended Edition.
From various publications, including Dragon magazine and some Q&A with Ed Greenwood on the old Candlekeep forums, Larloch is...

Creator of all those Larloch's Touch spells.
The FR-universe origin of the word Warlock.
The chosen of a former Mystara (Mystryl)
Knows all Netheril spells, except the one Karsus used (not that he would use it).
Knows a spell that can snuff out stars.
Has a bargain with the gods of FR where he keeps his Netheril spells, in exchange for "accidentally" teaching people new spells and restocking ancient ruins like Eliminster does.
Has been entrusted with the secret of killing all non AO Forgotten Realms gods if they ever get completely out of control.
Is working on building stable dimensional bridges between... I don't remember, actually. He hasn't succeeded yet.
Oversees a hive mind of 40+ liches.
Had at least two Death Moon Orbs.
Szass Tam was and might still be his apprentice.
Has 24+ Ioun Stones around his head (this is just funny).

He recently made the attempt to become a Greater God, which would have put him over Vecna (power wise). But that didn't work out thanks to Elminster and Srinshee pulling a fast one.
 
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