Changeover Poll

[Harlekin]

Rein in your snark- bias has nothing to do with it. 4Ed got the same shake as any other system I've purchased. Actually, even better- I don't usually purchase a game before checking out its mechanics and fluff.

And in 30+ years of gaming (as I've said, covering many systems & doing actual playtests), 4Ed stands as one of only 2 game revisions of a game I enjoyed that I didn't like.

I preordered it. I read some of the prerelease leaks. I read the game when it finally got into my hands. While I found some things in the game to be meritorious, as a whole, it had eliminated too many elements of previous editions I enjoyed- things I felt helped set D&D apart from other FRPGs- while having too many new elements that I disliked.

In fact, it was such a different game that the designers themselves suggested that you start new campaigns rather than try to convert extant ones, which for someone like myself was another strike against it.

I handed it off to others in my main game group, most of whom are avid computer gamers, a few of whom are professional computer game designers. THEIR main complaint (not mine) was that it introduced certain aspects of computer games that they had no wish to experience in a tabletop RPG.

I then shelved it.

No snark intended. You got a first impression of the game and you decided that it was not worth your time. And even if that first impression was wrong (possible, though maybe not likely), it would take you way too much effort to overcome it. You decided not to invest that time as you don't need a new gaming system. I would consider that a rational decision.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

No snark intended. You got a first impression of the game and you decided that it was not worth your time. And even if that first impression was wrong (possible, though maybe not likely), it would take you way too much effort to overcome it. You decided not to invest that time as you don't need a new gaming system. I would consider that a rational decision.

Fair enough.

The Internet: great for communicating quickly, not so good for communicating nuance.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

1,173 votes and counting. Cheers, folks. Thanks for participating like this! : )

With the 1,173 votes:

Changeover: 33%
No Changeover: 58%
Partial Changeover: 9%
Option 6: 31%

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

The Second Changeover Poll

1,178 Votes

Changeover: 33.36% (rounds down to 33%)
Partial Changeover: 8.74% (rounds up to 9%)
No Changeover: 57.89% (rounds up to 58%)
Option 6: 30.90% (rounds up to 31%)

This will be my last update, basically.
I had hoped that we would reach 1,200 votes, but we didn't quite make it.
We did, however, beat out the First Changeover Poll by 225 votes. That poll originally received 953 votes, and this poll received 1,178 votes.

The poll is still around, and you can still vote on it, but I won't be bumping it. It is almost February, and this was basically a December/January poll.

The numbers moved into their present positions around Vote Number 400, and have stayed within 2 percentile points of the results you see, for the last 800 votes. It has been extremely stable. Everytime someone voted for one side, someone voted for the other side. Just very extremely stable.

I think I can *definitively* conclude that these are the *true* results, the *true* feelings, for *ENWorld.*

 

[catsclaw227]

I think I can *definitively* conclude that these are the *true* results, the *true* feelings, for *ENWorld.*

Except for the important issue that you don't need to be logged in to vote in the poll.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Except for the important issue that you don't need to be logged in to vote in the poll.

This is a kind of manipulation everyone can perform. Unless you assume that it is more likely that only one poll option attracts people that would attempt such a manipulation. This should lead to a significant spike for one of the options. If you see such a spike in the later poll options*, this would imply that there is some "force" manipulating this poll that doesn't like 4E. It is possible, but... I find it unlikely.

Of course, maybe the alternative is to horrible to consider

Spoiler

- a lot of people have bad taste!

*)No Change: Tried 4E, went back to earlier edition play; No Change: Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play

PS: I just remember my "Have you tried 4E" thread a while back. http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...4th-edition-d-d-you-playing-already-ever.html

I think I should make a new run after PHB II is out.

 

[catsclaw227]

I understand, I wasn't judging the results. I was simply stating that with an open poll without login requirements, then it isn't a poll of EnWorld members. It's a poll for anyone, it just happens to be posted on EnWorld.

 

[Barcode]

But you really should be judging the results, cc. Anyone anywhere can vote in the poll anonymously, delete their cookie, then vote again, as many times as they like. Give it a try, boost your favorite result a couple of votes. Or 10 or 20. You won't be doing any real harm, since I guarantee you it has already been done.

It's not a valid representation of anything, people. It's just for fun.

 

[catsclaw227]

As I said, I understand. I was simply poking fun at a "flaw" in the poll.

EDIT: I am not saying the poll data is flawed, I am just saying that it is anonymous and doesn't require login and therefore, potentially, easily screwed by a mildly motivated party.

I am not a statistician or a Poll Expert, but I imagine that this tidbit alone would cause the poll to be tossed out in a professional sense.

 

[Treebore]

Any poll has potential flaws. Which is why methodology and mathematical formula's have beed developed to help account for these confounds, so even this data could be turned into something highly reliable. At least +/- 10% reliability, if not better.

Still, no one is trying to do that, so it doesn't matter.