Where is the National Guard?

[billd91]

Any politics involved is incidental. The primary motivator for everything they do is religion. What political statements they take have religion at the heart. They hate us "infidels" because religion. They hate each other because differences in interpreting their religion.

Politics isn't incidental to any of this - it's central to the dispute between Sunni and Shia. It's at the core of al-Qaeda's ideology.

 

[Maxperson]

Politics isn't incidental to any of this - it's central to the dispute between Sunni and Shia. It's at the core of al-Qaeda's ideology.

Um, those are religious disputes. They differ on how they follow Islam. Anything political is secondary to that religious dispute.

 

[Kramodlog]

Only part of the truth. Terrorism includes targeting civilians on purpose.

Not necessarely. Terrorists can target government institutions, government buildings, government employees, politicians, kings, owners, the military, symboles...

 

[Kramodlog]

So you're arguing that there is no such thing is a Muslim terrorist. After all, it's all about religion and not politics for them. Nice!

Dude, ISIS and Al Quaeda are revolutionary groups who use, among other things, political violence as a means of establishing a theocracy in the Arab world. It is all politics. Religion is just used for rhetoric and mobilization, like communism was for the Bolsheviks and nationalism for the thirteen colonies.

 

[Maxperson]

Dude, ISIS and Al Quaeda are revolutionary groups who use, among other things, political violence as a means of establishing a theocracy in the Arab world. It is all politics. Religion is just used for rhetoric and mobilization, like communism was for the Bolsheviks and nationalism for the thirteen colonies.

Religion is the prime motivator. Unlike communism, the radical Muslims believe what they say and are moved by that belief, rather than using an invented belief as a way to exert control.

 

[Kramodlog]

Religion is the prime motivator. Unlike communism, the radical Muslims believe what they say and are moved by that belief, rather than using an invented belief as a way to exert control.

You read their minds to know is sincere and who isn't?

Its a quest for power, pure politics. Some militants of course trully believe in what they do, but those at the top are rather rational. How they destroy artifacts on videos for being heretic objects and selling others on the black market just shows their pragmatism.

 

[Maxperson]

You read their minds to know is sincere and who isn't?

Don't even try it Goldo. That they believe their jihad is well known and accepted everywhere.

 

[Umbran]

They hate us "infidels" because religion.

Um, no. Not that simple, at all. Let's not pretend it is all in their religious beliefs, as if we have never taken any action that they'd find hate-worthy.

They hate us because we jerk them around really badly over Israel and oil, things which lead us to periodically drop bombs on them and shoot them. If you got bombs dropped on you, and your family shot, you'd be cheesed off, too, you know.

 

[Kramodlog]

Don't even try it Goldo. That they believe their jihad is well known and accepted everywhere.

Nope. That is just an appeal to popularity and your opinion. Not reality.

Its a quest for power, pure politics. Some militants of course trully believe in what they do, but those at the top are rather rational. How they destroy artifacts on videos for being heretic objects and selling others on the black market just shows their pragmatism.

 

[Maxperson]

Um, no. Not that simple, at all. Let's not pretend it is all in their religious beliefs, as if we have never taken any action that they'd find hate-worthy.

They hate us because we jerk them around really badly over Israel and oil, things which lead us to periodically drop bombs on them and shoot them. If you got bombs dropped on you, and your family shot, you'd be cheesed off, too, you know.

Maybe if they didn't shoot and behead people, we wouldn't drop as many bombs on them. They're not innocent in this. Yes, there is bad blood on both sides, but religion is the foundation that they follow for their jihad against us and everyone else. Politics is secondary to that.