Order your Star Wars films

[Celebrim]

I know you're overly literal, but you don't know what you're talking about here.

Clearly you've never actually watched 'Hidden Fortress'.

Look, if you want to understand this, that's fine, but you don't seem to have a real grasp of either Kurosawa or what was lifted. This is quite literally some of the most basic stuff imaginable.

Look, I've seen 'Ran' (wasn't impressed), 'Seven Samurai' (a classic), 'Rashomon' (one of the best movies ever made), etc., and you've just outed yourself. I like movies with subtitles. 'Rashomon', 'Amelie', 'Crouching Tiger: Hidden Dragon' are some of my favorite movies, and in my opinion some of the best movies ever made.

The character of Luke or really any analogue of him doesn't appear in the 'Hidden Fortress', and so correspondingly the plot points that I outlined about 'Star Wars' do not appear in 'Hidden Fortress' at all. On a really basic level, if you don't have a 'Luke' character, then you can't have a bildingroman and you can't have the plot points I just gave. So when I give an outline of 'Star Wars' focused on Luke's actions, and you respond that it is just "'Hidden Fortress' for dumb people" you are trying to sound really literate and knowledgeable, but really you are just coming off as pretentious and clueless.

"Hidden Fortress" is an entirely different movie, and while Lucas may have admired aspects of it, and have been inspired to begin the story from the perspective of C3P0 and R2D2 by it, that idea of starting from two slightly bumbling minor characters was one of the few things actually lifted from the movie.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Celebrim]

But rather than engaging with you and your singular inability to either be civil...

Says the guy whose comment is, "Hidden Fortress for dumb people who can't read subtitles and think "foreign film" is a pejorative term used by fancy lads."?

You can go running off to the admins or block me or whatever it is you want to do, but being incivil and then complaining about how the conversation isn't civil is and always will be ridiculous.

There are maybe 60 or 70 seconds of footage with C3P0 and R2D2 where there are 'Hidden Fortress' allusions, but none of that has anything to do with the Luke plot outline I just gave.

 

[generic]

Every other film > The Last Jedi.

There's my tierlist.

 

[lowkey13]

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[generic]

Most people are not quite so fond of the Holiday Special, but to each their own.

Even the Holiday Special can't ruin a scene of climactic action with a pointless and utterly stupid romantic moment between two characters that the film never bothered to justify to me beforehand.

 

[Celebrim]

Even the Holiday Special can't ruin a scene of climactic action with a pointless and utterly stupid romantic moment between two characters that the film never bothered to justify to me beforehand.

Which one are you thinking of? Because this doesn't just happen in the movie once, and in both cases it's utterly bizarre in the context of what we have been told thus far about the characters. I mean, at least Tanis and Kitiara have a history, so that their relationship makes some sense.

More to the point, as abysmally bad as the Holiday Special was and is, it doesn't undermine the integrity of the original trilogy. It might undermine the integrity of the actors that appeared in it, but it doesn't attack the basic story.

TFA/TLJ belong in the netherworld of works that actively undermine what made a good work of art good, alongside almost everything in the Potterverse since the conclusion of the original stories (particularly 'Cursed Child'), Tolkien's decision to try to completely rewrite his foundation myths in the midst of writing the Silmarillion, Orson Scott Card's rewrite of 'Ender's Game' in 'Ender's Shadow', and Lucas himself tinkering with his original classics with the various 'Special Edition' edits.

But in most of those cases, you have an author questioning themselves and attacking the integrity of their original works. In the TFA/TLJ case, you have another author undermining the integrity of another author's work.

 

[generic]

Which one are you thinking of? Because this doesn't just happen in the movie once, and in both cases it's utterly bizarre in the context of what we have been told thus far about the characters. I mean, at least Tanis and Kitiara have a history, so that their relationship makes some sense.

More to the point, as abysmally bad as the Holiday Special was and is, it doesn't undermine the integrity of the original trilogy. It might undermine the integrity of the actors that appeared in it, but it doesn't attack the basic story.

TFA/TLJ belong in the netherworld of works that actively undermine what made a good work of art good, alongside almost everything in the Potterverse since the conclusion of the original stories (particularly 'Cursed Child'), Tolkien's decision to try to completely rewrite his foundation myths in the midst of writing the Silmarillion, Orson Scott Card's rewrite of 'Ender's Game' in 'Ender's Shadow', and Lucas himself tinkering with his original classics with the various 'Special Edition' edits.

But in most of those cases, you have an author questioning themselves and attacking the integrity of their original works. In the TFA/TLJ case, you have another author undermining the integrity of another author's work.

I think you misunderstand my post. I'm jokingly referring to the Holiday Special, and then instantly switching over to a point on TLJ, the moment between Finn and Rose, to be precise.

So yes, but actually, no. What I mean by this is that your conception of my post was incorrect, but your formulation is one which I agree with.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Everyone- especially @lowkey13 - please don’t comment on how you intend to use the ENWorld ignore function in the future. Use or don’t use.

I had to hand out a couple of warnings. Those who got them should probably take a break from this thread.

 

[billd91]

Totally time to post this again: