Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

[lowkey13]

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[Janx]

I’ve still only seen the movie once, but I went into it having read multiple comments about the frenetic pace. None of that bothered me.

There were some things that bothered me, but I can say that of every single Star Wars movie.

One of the things that bothered me about TROS that has stuck in my head is how the outline of the Sith dagger lined up with the outline of a specific part of the Death Star wreckage like puzzle pieces.

I thought that was super-lame and nonsensical.

I reckon it would’ve made more sense if the dagger had guided Rey via the Force to the right spot.

There is that. The empire fell about 25 years ago or something? Who makes an ancient dagger with clues written on it and so it is shaped special to guide you to the deathstar if you happen to be standing on the shore in a universe where everybody has flying craft to just go directly to it. The way to find the hidden treasure in Goonies made more sense and I don't remember anything from that movie either.

I thought Rey being Palp's grand-daughter was a fine idea. It's one we didn't hear bandied about and is in line with Vader having kids.

Ben's redemption seemed to work.

Having gotten into light saber fighting, yes, Yellow is a legit Canon color.

FN has got 2.5 romance options going on now.

Force powers: It can heal? Beats me. Maybe that's been done before. It can teleport? That seems new and made up. It was a neat play on the mixed environment telepathic phone-call that parts of the illusion would spill over, and later, part of it be real. But I didn't think the force could teleport, so expect munchkin abuse from gamers.

Imperial Logistics: That's probably the biggest plot hole. Nobody expects the movie to show us the entire supply chain. But a sudden reveal of mega-massive resources. Who's feeding all these sith on crap planet exogol? Who's crewing the ships? Who built them all of a sudden? It's not like they ferry contractors to build it to the secret planet that nobody knows about. Now for all we know, Palpatine has been cloning himself for decades and using force powers to assist themselves so all those Sith are him, and they all built the ships and they force-teleport nuts and berries from Endor.

In the theater, it was a fun ride. On the car ride home, so many questions. Why does Leia's saber look like an UltraSabers Butcher with a different emitter? Are they gonna make Rey's? Will it have a twisty activation switch?

 

[Morrus]

Force powers: It can heal? Beats me. Maybe that's been done before.

In the Mandalorian. (and a ton of video games, but they don't count)

It can teleport? That seems new and made up. It was a neat play on the mixed environment telepathic phone-call that parts of the illusion would spill over, and later, part of it be real. But I didn't think the force could teleport, so expect munchkin abuse from gamers.

It's continued from TLJ, as you observed. Just dialed up a bit as the two grow in power. Now they teleport small objects not just raindrops.

All force powers are new and made up. They make up a new one in each film. Telekinesis was new in ESB. Lightning was new in RotJ. Stopping blaster bolts midair was new in TFA. Force FaceTime (ForceTime?) was new in TLJ. Healing was new in tRoS.

Inventing new force powers in a Star Wars movie isn't a problem; it's tradition. It's how force powers get introduced. It would be weird if they didn't.

 

[tglassy]

Yeah, I’ve got no issue with new Force Powers. You’re controlling a fundamental power of the universe. Surely not everything has been discovered.

 

[Kaodi]

I wonder if the Son and the Daughter were a "Dyad" in the same sense as Rey and Ben. Palpatine said that one had not been seen in "generations" . Mortis was two generations ago.

 

[MarkB]

I understood the need to "transmit signals" from a tower, then the lead star destroyer to the other was the sign the other were rather understaffed. If the commanding star destroyer can get out of the storm (really, BAD WEATHER can knock out ISD? I didn't understand that exactly) without the land tower giving a signal, it means that an operational star destroyer can do that. Yet, when the rebels destroy the emitter on this ISD, the Imps don't simply nominate another one as the new fleet leader. Maybe because they had a grand total of ONE space navigator in that fleet and mostly intended to use the fleet as a mobile artillery (maybe the weapon system is mostly automated).

A couple of things stand out about that. First, the Star Destroyer in question isn't one of Palpatine's fleet - it's the First Order's command ship. That means that it's been built using the latest technology in top-of-the-line shipyards, not by secret Sith cultists in a cave. It can be expected to have better sensors, better comms, and better trained and more experienced officers than any other ship in the fleet.

Second, it's positioned pretty much at the highest altitude in the fleet. There's a good chance that it was using its position and superior sensors to assist in guiding the fleet even before the beacon was compromised.

 

[Vael]

She was there. Leia's aide / staff officer. She had a couple of lines, and a same-sex kiss at the end, though it was a bit of a "blink and you'll miss it" moment.

Oh, I saw her, and that was exactly the amount of "representation" I thought we'd get, and it's insulting and annoying. Just like the gay dude in Avengers Endgame, or LeFou in the live-action Beauty and the Beast, Disney wants credit for such blink and you miss it representation and I will not give it any.

And I know why as well. It's quite simple, they want to avoid getting censored by homophobic governments, but still try and pander to queer positive audiences. And it's just condescending BS.

 

[tglassy]

To be honest, the whole "There's a huge fleet, but they are only vulnerable right now because of the atmospheric disturbances make the sensors unable to tell which way is up so we just need to destroy one signal emitter, but wait, now it's on the main ship and so we need to destroy another one" thing struck me as just a way for them to have a chance against such an unstoppable force. I liked the fleet itself, especially with each one being able to destroy a planet. That seems like something Palpatine would have devised during his 25 years being mostly dead.

But the way they defeated them just seemed like the writers had written themselves in a corner. They gave the bad guys something so overwhelmingly powerful that there is just no way anyone could actually hope to fight it. So instead of giving the good guys something equally powerful, they, like A New Hope, put an exhaust pipe in it that leads to the reactor to blow the whole thing up. They just gave it a really, really easy to get to weakness.

Yeah, they explained that in Rogue One, but that was an attempt to explain a plot hole. This is really just lazy writing. They wanted the good guys to be able to win, so they gave them an easy way to win.

But whatevs. It's in keeping with Star Wars tradition. Anakin landed his ship right in the bad guy's main ship and blew it up from the inside (why didn't anyone else think of that?), Luke threw a missile down an exhaust pipe to blow up a moon sized space station (cause reasons), and they destroyed the Emperor's fleet by breaking a satellite. Whatevs.

 

[Morrus]

To be honest, the whole "There's a huge fleet, but they are only vulnerable right now because of the atmospheric disturbances make the sensors unable to tell which way is up so we just need to destroy one signal emitter, but wait, now it's on the main ship and so we need to destroy another one" thing struck me as just a way for them to have a chance against such an unstoppable force. I liked the fleet itself, especially with each one being able to destroy a planet. That seems like something Palpatine would have devised during his 25 years being mostly dead.

But the way they defeated them just seemed like the writers had written themselves in a corner. They gave the bad guys something so overwhelmingly powerful that there is just no way anyone could actually hope to fight it. So instead of giving the good guys something equally powerful, they, like A New Hope, put an exhaust pipe in it that leads to the reactor to blow the whole thing up. They just gave it a really, really easy to get to weakness.

Yeah, they explained that in Rogue One, but that was an attempt to explain a plot hole. This is really just lazy writing. They wanted the good guys to be able to win, so they gave them an easy way to win.

But whatevs. It's in keeping with Star Wars tradition. Anakin landed his ship right in the bad guy's main ship and blew it up from the inside (why didn't anyone else think of that?), Luke threw a missile down an exhaust pipe to blow up a moon sized space station (cause reasons), and they destroyed the Emperor's fleet by breaking a satellite. Whatevs.

Yeah, they do that in pretty much every film. Phantom Menace (shut down the droid army by shooting the command ship), two Death Stars, Starkiller — it’s a common Star Wars trope.

 

[lowkey13]

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