Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

[Truth Seeker]

Worf, from what I've heard, haven't read the book, was given command 14 years ago, when Picard left to run the mission to evacuate the Romulans. We don't know the current status of the Enterprise-E, whether she's still in commission and who is currently in command.

As to the second paragraph ... I do not understand, what the point of this observation?

Picard was ordered to step down from the Sovereign Enterprise, by Starfleet Command, the premise was that it didn't look proper from a visual standpoint, to have a Federation Warship in Romulan space, leading the evacuation. Information came from a YouTube podcast about the book

As for the dream sequence of Enterprise D, I was finally able to snip cut the scene and saw the difference.

 

[MarkB]

Picard was ordered to step down from the Sovereign Enterprise, by Starfleet Command, the premise was that it didn't look proper from a visual standpoint, to have a Federation Warship in Romulan space, leading the evacuation. Information came from a YouTube podcast about the book

That seems like an odd concern, given that it was the Enterprise-E under Picard's command which resolved their unfortunate Reman coup situation and prompted the negotiations which led to their state of peace with the Federation as of the supernova crisis. If anything, the Enterprise-E should be a symbol of peace to the Romulans.

However, that ship has been through a lot. It would have required effectively a complete re-fit after the events of First Contact in order to strip out any dangerous Borg technology, then lost its warp core during Insurrection, and would have needed to be practically rebuilt from the keel up after its ramming maneuver during Nemesis. It's unlikely that it would still be in service around 20 years later.

 

[Truth Seeker]

That seems like an odd concern, given that it was the Enterprise-E under Picard's command which resolved their unfortunate Reman coup situation and prompted the negotiations which led to their state of peace with the Federation as of the supernova crisis. If anything, the Enterprise-E should be a symbol of peace to the Romulans.

However, that ship has been through a lot. It would have required effectively a complete re-fit after the events of First Contact in order to strip out any dangerous Borg technology, then lost its warp core during Insurrection, and would have needed to be practically rebuilt from the keel up after its ramming maneuver during Nemesis. It's unlikely that it would still be in service around 20 years later.

Well, considering how the material has been written for this current Trek, please keep in mind...this is the version of events being manufactured by Secret Hideout, via other media sources.

The book gives more details, since the tv showing is lacking in deeper explanation--it is pointed out that having a Warship of that nature, will portray a sense of 'invasion' to the Romulan people, therefore SF didn't want any outstanding issues. Again, this is the narrative from SH.

Starship longevity...here is a Sample 1 of such discussions.

Sample 2

Sovereign Class

SC Lifespan, scroll down a bit, to see the described lifespan.

 

[MarkB]

Well, considering how the material has been written for this current Trek, please keep in mind...this is the version of events being manufactured by Secret Hideout, via other media sources.

The book gives more details, since the tv showing is lacking in deeper explanation--it is pointed out that having a Warship of that nature, will portray a sense of 'invasion' to the Romulan people, therefore SF didn't want any outstanding issues. Again, this is the narrative from SH.

So, what you are saying is that the sequence of events in this show is the sequence of events that's been written by the writers of this show. That seems self-evident - why are you wording it as being controversial?

 

[bloodtide]

All of Star Trek, except DS9 and Disco are about the Federation Starfleet. We see Starfleet people that are the Best of the Best. Most of the time the crew members of the flagship of the Federation, but then even most ''average" Starfleet people are fairly good. While not everyone in Starfleet is perfect, they are all good, honest, CLASSICALLY moral and classically decent people. They, by far, only have silly ''first world" type problems: they can't get a date or their mom is annoying.

Of course, there is a whole galaxy we never see.......the parts we are seeing now on Picard.

 

[Truth Seeker]

So, what you are saying is that the sequence of events in this show is the sequence of events that's been written by the writers of this show. That seems self-evident - why are you wording it as being controversial?

I never said it was controversial directly...in none of my past posts. Just pointing out that the method of divesting the bulk of needed info, into other formats, has been by them as early as 2009, before that...it was never done at all. The ability to give an explanation as to why things are the way they are...through comic books, novels or other media...is just weak to me. And that is my opinion. It is just a marketing ploy for attention, but is the substance of it, needed or worthy on having?

 

[Truth Seeker]

All of Star Trek, except DS9 and Disco are about the Federation Starfleet. We see Starfleet people that are the Best of the Best. Most of the time the crew members of the flagship of the Federation, but then even most ''average" Starfleet people are fairly good. While not everyone in Starfleet is perfect, they are all good, honest, CLASSICALLY moral and classically decent people. They, by far, only have silly ''first world" type problems: they can't get a date or their mom is annoying.

Of course, there is a whole galaxy we never see.......the parts we are seeing now on Picard.

The parts we are being shown...I suspect are near Romulan space or just beyond, as per the statement made that Neutral Zone is no more. The next installment will be in said space. And I am curious to how deep this Artifact location is placed. But we will not know, cause there is no visible Star Map being shown....but except for the slighty Blurred one in the Admiral's Office.

 

[MarkB]

Starship longevity...here is a Sample 1 of such discussions.

Sample 2

Sovereign Class

SC Lifespan, scroll down a bit, to see the described lifespan.

To pick up on this, most of the articles you linked seem to be discussing the longevity of a class of starship. I didn't see anything significant there about how long an individual vessel would be expected to remain in service.

I never said it was controversial directly...in none of my past posts. Just pointing out that the method of divesting the bulk of needed info, into other formats, has been by them as early as 2009, before that...it was never done at all. The ability to give an explanation as to why things are the way they are...through comic books, novels or other media...is just weak to me. And that is my opinion. It is just a marketing ploy for attention, but is the substance of it, needed or worthy on having?

So far, there's been no instance of "needed info" being restricted to comics or other media. Whenever something's become relevant in the show, it's been explained in the show. I.e. the fact that Laris and Zhaban are former Tal Shiar agents who Picard helped out during the evacuation, or the more detailed look we got of the Mars attack.

Certainly, these media provide a deeper look at some things, but I don't see how that's relevant. Would you instead require them to be meaningless puff pieces that conveyed nothing at all? Or do you simply want them to not even exist?

Personally, I haven't read any novels or comics related to the Picard series, nor seen the Children of Mars special, and I haven't yet found myself feeling that I'm lacking information vital to my understanding of the plot. On the other hand, if I do ever go and read those other sources, I would be very disappointed if I found that they had nothing new of interest to offer me.

 

[Truth Seeker]

To pick up on this, most of the articles you linked seem to be discussing the longevity of a class of starship. I didn't see anything significant there about how long an individual vessel would be expected to remain in service.


So far, there's been no instance of "needed info" being restricted to comics or other media. Whenever something's become relevant in the show, it's been explained in the show. I.e. the fact that Laris and Zhaban are former Tal Shiar agents who Picard helped out during the evacuation, or the more detailed look we got of the Mars attack.

Certainly, these media provide a deeper look at some things, but I don't see how that's relevant. Would you instead require them to be meaningless puff pieces that conveyed nothing at all? Or do you simply want them to not even exist?

Personally, I haven't read any novels or comics related to the Picard series*1*, nor seen the Children of Mars special 2, and I haven't yet found myself feeling that I'm lacking information vital to my understanding of the plot. On the other hand, if I do ever go and read those other sources, I would be very disappointed if I found that they had nothing new of interest to offer me.

Ah...but their origin was comic book first...not the show.

Same boat...1

It was not exciting to watch 2

Agreed

 

[Morrus]

I never said it was controversial directly...in none of my past posts. Just pointing out that the method of divesting the bulk of needed info, into other formats, has been by them as early as 2009, before that...it was never done at all. The ability to give an explanation as to why things are the way they are...through comic books, novels or other media...is just weak to me. And that is my opinion. It is just a marketing ploy for attention, but is the substance of it, needed or worthy on having?

It's standard practice these days. Blame Star Wars for making it so.