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That was out of the bag pretty much as soon as Agnes got over her murdery phase. Also, it seems like she was already on Raffle's conspiracy radar.

No, I don't mean when the crew of La Sirena figured it out. I mean, when were they able to prove it to anyone that held rank in Starfleet? Why did Commodore Oh not just take command of a fleet of Starfleet vessels under some pretense?
 

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Ryujin

Adventurer
No, I don't mean when the crew of La Sirena figured it out. I mean, when were they able to prove it to anyone that held rank in Starfleet? Why did Commodore Oh not just take command of a fleet of Starfleet vessels under some pretense?

Senior Romulans have always seemed to be rather pragmatic, right back to their introduction in TOS (it was a junior officer who pushed the captain to screw up in that episode). If you think that your cover is about to be blown better to get out, than to be caught and interrogated.
 

Hussar

Legend
Also, the whole point of her position in Star Fleet was to deal with the Synth threat. She probably thought that her job was done and she could go home once the Synths were killed. Makes sense. You're a deep sleeper agent, but, also head of the group that is supposed to deal with this threat. Once the job is done, you get to go to your well deserved reward.

It's not like her position in Star Fleet was a Romulan plot. Or, well, Romulan government plot anyway. :D
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I think once Picard had a witness like Jurati on his side, a Synth, and a dead Maddox, it would put Commodore Oh under too much scrutiny. If it's not Commodore Oh and security people under her direct supervision investigate the attacks on Dajh, they might find stuff that is suspcisious. And if they start reopening the investigation on what went wrong with the Synths, there might be more to find.
Maybe no one could prove anything that she would actually get convicted, but she also can't act as freely as she could when no one suspected her.
 

That all makes sense. J like the idea that Starfleet would trust Picard enough at his word to at least investigate, and it makes sense that a Romulan would get out before any investigation revealed anything.
 


That all makes sense. J like the idea that Starfleet would trust Picard enough at his word to at least investigate, and it makes sense that a Romulan would get out before any investigation revealed anything.
Also, apparently the Federation media loves to talk to Picard, and he's apparently pretty famous. . .when his ultimatum to Starfleet is to investigate this thoroughly, or he'll tell all to the media. . .and they know he would, and to hell with the consequences.

At this point, with all the things they would have learned that a Starfleet Commodore was a deep-cover Romulan operative, that there's a whole planet of synths, that apparently said Commodore ordered the outright murder of some Synth ambassadors just to conceal this fact, that Maddox was murdered, and such, that Picard having an explanation for it all that makes sense would really help to tie this up.

I was left with the impression that, to the Federation public at large, Picard is seen as something of a hero and celebrity, if Picard says that the Synth rebellion on Mars was the result of Romulan sabotage, then that's good enough for most of the Federation ESPECIALLY if they can get any actual hard evidence to substantiate that.

Starfleet Command may resent him for standing by principles when they were taking a much more realpolitik approach to the Romulan Supernova, or that he is outspoken on that point even a decade and a half later. . .but one thing he's never done is to lie or misrepresent, and they know that (it's rather a key part of his character), and they know that.
 

True. The standard gear of Star Trek officers is sometimes fantastic, but kinda uneven. Tricorders that can scan everything at any range the plot desires, phasers that can stun, kill, disintegrate and turn stones into heaters... But no personal force shields or anything. But the Jem'Hadar have genetically inbuilt cloak and seem to be bad at exploiting this most of the time!

. . .and apparently building at least a low-power short term personal shield is NOT difficult, since Worf was able to do so in A Fistful of Datas by salvaging his comnbadge for parts and using some crude 19th century technology (a telegraph set, plus anything else he could salvage in a recreation of an "Ancient West" town).

If a lone Security Officer could build a personal shield generator out of a single comnbadge and some 19th century electrical parts, imagine what Starfleet R&D could do if they were being serious about it

Also, the 1970's animated series (which seems to be treated as canon now, especially with the nod towards Kzinti in Picard) had personal force-field belts as standard landing party equipment at least late in Kirk's 5 year mission, so there's at least some canonical evidence of personal shield generators as standard gear. . .which somehow aren't standard gear anymore decades later.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Also, the 1970's animated series (which seems to be treated as canon now, especially with the nod towards Kzinti in Picard) had personal force-field belts as standard landing party equipment at least late in Kirk's 5 year mission, so there's at least some canonical evidence of personal shield generators as standard gear. . .which somehow aren't standard gear anymore decades later.

They weren't defensive shields but rather life support belts, but your point is well taken.
 

bloodtide

Explorer
Yeah, two of the things that always seemed a little off to me is that it was always the officers beaming down which makes sense from a show standpoint, they are the stars of the show so they get more screen time, but surely they'd have teams of lower ranks assembled to investigate planets. I'd also think that beaming down to an unknown planet wearing standard starfleet uniforms instead of some sort of hazmat suit would be a bad idea.

This has always been one of the big draws for Star Trek: It shows a better ideal life.

In the real boring modern world once a person gets to a high position of authority and power, they also get far, far, far removed from any actual work. At best they ''supervise", often from a distance.

BUT this was not always the case. Before, oh, say 1900 or so the people in charge DID go out and do the work. Ship captains did not just sit around on the ship...they when ashore even if it was very dangerious. General George Washington did NOT lead the army from some mansion where he just tolPresident Abraham Lhiskey Rebels IN Person. President Abraham Lincoln lead some troops into battle and was even targeted by snipers (the only sitting American president to come under enemy fire while in office). Richard the Lionheart lead his troops in person during the crusades. And so on.

Star Trek recaptures this lost bit of history: ''important" people are not the ones that sit behind and tell others what to do: they are the ones that lead others, in person.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
Binge watched 5 in a row, finished episode 8.

Wasn't to bad kinda enjoying it. Wife's a bit more lost as she doesn't recognize the TNG actors.

Better than Altered Carbon season 2 struggling with that one.
 

Hussar

Legend
Altered Carbon is a bit funny for me. I binged the first season when it first came out and didn't really like it. It was okay, but, I dunno, something was missing. Then, I re-watched it before season 2 came out and I liked it a LOT better. I think I got kinda lost in the first season - couldn't keep track of what was going on. Enjoyed it MUCH more on the re-watch. I have a sneaking suspicion that season 2 will be similar. I liked it, it was fine, but, not exactly edge of the seat.

The anime was fun too.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Altered Carbon is a bit funny for me. I binged the first season when it first came out and didn't really like it. It was okay, but, I dunno, something was missing. Then, I re-watched it before season 2 came out and I liked it a LOT better. I think I got kinda lost in the first season - couldn't keep track of what was going on. Enjoyed it MUCH more on the re-watch. I have a sneaking suspicion that season 2 will be similar. I liked it, it was fine, but, not exactly edge of the seat.

The anime was fun too.

Some shows you need to put the phone down. Running low on new stuff to watch. Stargate Atlantis rewatch for the 5th or 6th time.
 





Zardnaar

Legend
Just finished binge watched 7 episodes over two nights.

I liked it, wife's comment was "I enjoyed that".

Might be able to talk her into TNG, just have to get through those first 2 seasons.
 

MarkB

Legend
Might be able to talk her into TNG, just have to get through those first 2 seasons.
Of all the Star Trek series, I tend to find that TNG is the one that is most 'of its time'. I can re-watch some individual stand-out episodes, and the characters are great, but I can't watch it in any quantity without it feeling painfully dated in tone.
 

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