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Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

Really, dude? You go do it then. You have an hour. 10 ships. Starting now.

Well, sure just give me one of them fancy Hollywood super computers and an hour of lead senior designer pay.

Good CGI isn't something you whip up in "an hour or so". It costs money. The software is often proprietary and expensive, but really its about man-hours. You have to pay people to do it, and it takes time. ST: Next Gen was one of the most expensive shows on TV at the time, and things really haven't gotten any cheaper.

Well, what about ''average" CGI or just "ok" CGI? Way back in the '90's, like 20-30 years ago, with like Windows 95, they could make computer generatated fleets of diffrent ships. Why is it so ''impossible" in 2020? And even if computers are ''so" expensive...why not just use ''cheap" models...like remember back in the 90's when they used Halmark x-mas tree ornaments for models?
 

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Ryujin

Legend
Well, sure just give me one of them fancy Hollywood super computers and an hour of lead senior designer pay.



Well, what about ''average" CGI or just "ok" CGI? Way back in the '90's, like 20-30 years ago, with like Windows 95, they could make computer generatated fleets of diffrent ships. Why is it so ''impossible" in 2020? And even if computers are ''so" expensive...why not just use ''cheap" models...like remember back in the 90's when they used Halmark x-mas tree ornaments for models?

Four letters: HDTV.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Well, sure just give me one of them fancy Hollywood super computers and an hour of lead senior designer pay.



Well, what about ''average" CGI or just "ok" CGI? Way back in the '90's, like 20-30 years ago, with like Windows 95, they could make computer generatated fleets of diffrent ships. Why is it so ''impossible" in 2020? And even if computers are ''so" expensive...why not just use ''cheap" models...like remember back in the 90's when they used Halmark x-mas tree ornaments for models?
Do you literally think digital design requires no effort or ability? That’s astonishing!
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Do you literally think digital design requires no effort or ability? That’s astonishing!

A lot of people (for some reason) like to assume that other people's jobs are easy. It's actually worse when they know a little about what the job entails. Then they think, "I could do that!" or "That sounds easy/fun!"

I mean, I own a comic store, so my job is to sit around reading comics, right? AND I assume that you just spend all day hanging out and posting on your forum, right? (That's sarcasm, neither of us would be successful at what we do if that were the case!)
 

Hussar

Legend
Been reading a few reviews about Picard here and there and a common refrain seems to be that it lacks a certain... something that makes it not feel really like Star Trek. It's a similar criticism to ST: Disco as well. I wonder if it has more to do with the format change than anything else.

In older Trek, you got 24 (ish) episodes per season. So, you might get a season long plot (say in DS9) introduced in the first two episodes of the season, then it would kind of fade to the background until mid-season, then there'd be two or three plotsy episodes and then it would fade back again until the end of the season and you'd get like 4 plot based episodes concluding the story arc.

Well, really, that's what we're getting with these shorter seasons - all the plot based stuff and none of the other stuff. But, the other stuff is really where Star Trek developed so much of the character and world. That's where the Holodeck episodes lived and the more character driven stories where Worf or Data ponders their particular existence for an hour. :D

The new format is more along the lines of a really long movie. They remind me of the old 80's TV Mini-series that we used to get. Things like Shogun or various other, basically, 10 hour movies. You just don't have the time to develop characters like you could in the older series. You can't spend an entire hour on Odo trying to turn himself into bird or whatever.

I really wonder if that's what turns people off from the newer Trek.

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Totally different question.

Did you notice the line in the last episode where the Romulan guy (sorry, can't remember names) talks about the legends/history and mentions that the story comes from before Vulcans settled their planet? Interesting.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Been reading a few reviews about Picard here and there and a common refrain seems to be that it lacks a certain... something that makes it not feel really like Star Trek. It's a similar criticism to ST: Disco as well. I wonder if it has more to do with the format change than anything else.

In older Trek, you got 24 (ish) episodes per season. So, you might get a season long plot (say in DS9) introduced in the first two episodes of the season, then it would kind of fade to the background until mid-season, then there'd be two or three plotsy episodes and then it would fade back again until the end of the season and you'd get like 4 plot based episodes concluding the story arc.

Well, really, that's what we're getting with these shorter seasons - all the plot based stuff and none of the other stuff. But, the other stuff is really where Star Trek developed so much of the character and world. That's where the Holodeck episodes lived and the more character driven stories where Worf or Data ponders their particular existence for an hour. :D

The new format is more along the lines of a really long movie. They remind me of the old 80's TV Mini-series that we used to get. Things like Shogun or various other, basically, 10 hour movies. You just don't have the time to develop characters like you could in the older series. You can't spend an entire hour on Odo trying to turn himself into bird or whatever.

I really wonder if that's what turns people off from the newer Trek.

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Totally different question.

Did you notice the line in the last episode where the Romulan guy (sorry, can't remember names) talks about the legends/history and mentions that the story comes from before Vulcans settled their planet? Interesting.

I'm not a massive Trekkie but we recently binge watched DS9 and really enjoyed it start to finish.

STD was a struggle.

Tried TNG and Voyager just couldn't get much past the first few episodes.

So childhood memories of TOS, all of DS9 which I also enjoyed in the 90s.

Currently stuck at episode 3 of Picard watching other stuff instead.

It's just not very good compared with other current sci fi shows (Expanse, Orville, Better than Us) let alone old trek, Farscape, Babylon 5, Stargate etc.

In not a Trekkie more of casual ST fan. Liked some if the movies, TNG, TOS and DS9. Even Star Wars is batting 50/50.
 

Dire Bare

Legend
Been reading a few reviews about Picard here and there and a common refrain seems to be that it lacks a certain... something that makes it not feel really like Star Trek. It's a similar criticism to ST: Disco as well. I wonder if it has more to do with the format change than anything else.

In older Trek, you got 24 (ish) episodes per season. So, you might get a season long plot (say in DS9) introduced in the first two episodes of the season, then it would kind of fade to the background until mid-season, then there'd be two or three plotsy episodes and then it would fade back again until the end of the season and you'd get like 4 plot based episodes concluding the story arc.

Well, really, that's what we're getting with these shorter seasons - all the plot based stuff and none of the other stuff. But, the other stuff is really where Star Trek developed so much of the character and world. That's where the Holodeck episodes lived and the more character driven stories where Worf or Data ponders their particular existence for an hour. :D

The new format is more along the lines of a really long movie. They remind me of the old 80's TV Mini-series that we used to get. Things like Shogun or various other, basically, 10 hour movies. You just don't have the time to develop characters like you could in the older series. You can't spend an entire hour on Odo trying to turn himself into bird or whatever.

I really wonder if that's what turns people off from the newer Trek.

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Totally different question.

Did you notice the line in the last episode where the Romulan guy (sorry, can't remember names) talks about the legends/history and mentions that the story comes from before Vulcans settled their planet? Interesting.

There's a lot of folks who do prefer the more traditional episodic storytelling than the longer form serialized storytelling, it is very much why some folks are not digging new-Trek. But this is a shift in TV storytelling at large, it isn't just Star Trek.

While I LOVE ST: Discovery and ST: Picard, I would also love to see a new episodic show with storytelling similar to classic Trek. Perhaps where everything isn't quite reset to base at the end of every single episode and a stronger season arc . . .
 

Mallus

Legend
While I LOVE ST: Discovery and ST: Picard, I would also love to see a new episodic show with storytelling similar to classic Trek.
Picard did end with the perfect setup for a second season composed of Firefly/Leverage antics in the liminal spaces where the Federation had withdrawn its influence. You throw in a rivalry with some of the Fenris Rangers as Jean-Luc muscles in on their schtick.

Or go all-in on 1980s nostalgia and make them the A-Team in (Federation) space.
 

MarkB

Legend
Picard did end with the perfect setup for a second season composed of Firefly/Leverage antics in the liminal spaces where the Federation had withdrawn its influence. You throw in a rivalry with some of the Fenris Rangers as Jean-Luc muscles in on their schtick.

Or go all-in on 1980s nostalgia and make them the A-Team in (Federation) space.
I've always thought the Star Trek setting would lend itself well to a smaller ship and crew with a more covert-ops theme. This isn't exactly how I pictured them getting there, but if they go that way I'm certainly up for it.
 


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