D&D and the rising pandemic

[Dannyalcatraz]

Nice but the case that brought my attention to the matter was one of a cat not in China.

In the Belgian pet cat case, the feline WAS sick, but it is still unclear as to whether Covid-19 was the cause. According to the article, while they believe the cat might have had covid-19, the veterinarians are still awaiting lab results to see whether the cat had antibodies.

The samples were collected and sent to the lab by the owner, and a veterinarian has yet to examine the cat. The cat recovered after nine days, and once it’s released from quarantine, researchers will run a blood test for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, which would provide more concrete proof of an infection. Those results are expected in about a week.

Note the complicating the issue: the fecal sample was not obtained by the veterinarians, but was collected and sent in by the owner- there is no way to determine if that owner contaminated the samples in collecting them.

A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated

While a cat in Belgium seems to be the first feline infected with SARS-CoV-2, it’s still unclear how susceptible pets are to the disease.

www.sciencenews.org

So, no. No apology. There is currently no proof the Belgian cat got Covid-19 from its owner and got sick.

Nor will there ever be one, even if the lab reports the cat did. As I said, the best science at the time indicated low to nonexistent probability of human to feline transmission.

If the tests prove the cat DID have Covid-19, and probably got it from its owner, I can admit that the science of the time was incorrect. But I’m not apologizing for following the science.

 

[FrogReaver]

In the Belgian pet cat case, the feline WAS sick, but it is still unclear as to whether Covid-19 was the cause. According to the article, while they believe the cat might have had covid-19, the veterinarians are still awaiting lab results to see whether the cat had antibodies.



Note the complicating the issue: the fecal sample was not obtained by the veterinarians, but was collected and sent in by the owner- there is no way to determine if that owner contaminated the samples in collecting them.

A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated

While a cat in Belgium seems to be the first feline infected with SARS-CoV-2, it’s still unclear how susceptible pets are to the disease.

www.sciencenews.org

I just love when people can't even stay consistent with their own stories in a 30 minute timeframe...

You originally stated:

At the time, the best evidence supported Umbran’s (and my) position. Those were pets, the samples were not taken the same way as from humans, and the pets were- as I recall, asymptomatic. Strongest conclusion you could make was that the virus had been found ON them, not IN them,

You see - when the pets have symptoms consistent with the virus and test positive for it (regardless of how the sample was obtained) then the best information we have is that it can infect pets.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I just love when people can't even stay consistent with their own stories in a 30 minute timeframe...

You originally stated:



You see - when the pets have symptoms consistent with the virus and test positive for it (regardless of how the sample was obtained) then the best information we have is that it can infect pets.

There is no inconsistency.

The article I quoted about the dogs stated they were asymptomatic. That’s what I looked at. THEN you asked about the Belgian cat, which I had not looked at at all.

An additional claim was made, and I had to look again.

Upon reading about the cat, it had symptoms, but they were not unique to Covid-19.

So, out of 4 pets, only one showed symptoms. In all four cases, the owners had Covid-19. One of four Vs four of four. Occam’s Razor,

 

[FrogReaver]

So, no. No apology. There is currently no proof the Belgian cat got Covid-19 from its owner and got sick.

Nor will there ever be one, even if the lab reports the cat did. As I said, the best science at the time indicated low to nonexistent probability of human to feline transmission.

If the tests prove the cat DID have Covid-19, and probably got it from its owner, I can admit that the science of the time was incorrect. But I’m not apologizing for following the science.

You aren't following the science though. The science says cat got sick with coronavirus symptoms. Cat tested positive. That test could have been cross contaminated but it still doesn't rule out the symptoms. Thus, the scientific approach would have been a belief that it's likely that cats can get coronavirus but we need more results to confirm.

That's what the science of the moment told us. Instead the reaction you gave was, "we can't believe this is possible till we are 100% certain". That's not following science - that's using a ridiculous criteria to silence any attempted talk about what the actual science was showing.

 

[FrogReaver]

Upon reading about the cat, it had symptoms, but they were not unique to Covi—19.

So, out of 4 pets, only one showed symptoms. In all four cases, the owners had Covid-19. One of four Vs four of four. Occam’s Razor,

You realize that there are no symptoms unique to Covid-19

 

[FrogReaver]

Nor will there ever be one, even if the lab reports the cat did. As I said, the best science at the time indicated low to nonexistent probability of human to feline transmission.

Sure. But the point that was made to me at the time wasn't whether it was a potentially low probability. It was that there was absolutely no probability of it at all - despite the evidence.

 

[Zardnaar]

Someone's crunched the numbers here.

Can't sustain it long term, more people have Committed suicide than the virus has killed.

 

[FrogReaver]

Someone's crunched the numbers here.

Can't sustain it long term, more people have Committed suicide than the virus has killed.

Where is here?

 

[CleverNickName]

I sort of lost track there for a bit. We're arguing about a sick cat in Italy?

 

[FrogReaver]

I sort of lost track there for a bit. We're arguing about a sick cat in Italy?

Belgium, get it right!