D&D and the rising pandemic
Zardnaar
Legend
Well went to get the ye olde flu shot.
Under normal circumstances this would likely give the health department kittens.
They converted an old garage into a drive through flu jab.
I had the sit down option. Combined it with exercise for a 5km walk.
Sit in corner option, nurse comes along in PPE and gives you the shot.
Two days in a row no new cases.
www.rnz.co.nz
4 days total no new cases. Nurse said none locally for 24 days. 93% recovery rate.
South Pacific Police State lockdown ends tomorrow.
Under normal circumstances this would likely give the health department kittens.
They converted an old garage into a drive through flu jab.
I had the sit down option. Combined it with exercise for a 5km walk.
Sit in corner option, nurse comes along in PPE and gives you the shot.
Two days in a row no new cases.
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4 days total no new cases. Nurse said none locally for 24 days. 93% recovery rate.
South Pacific Police State lockdown ends tomorrow.
I was going to say that 82% is still way too low, and that vaccines should be as second nature to people as wearing a seat belt when they're in a car; it's so blatantly easy and important that you should do both without any doubt whatsoever.
Then I did a quick google and learned that about 15% of people don't normally wear seat belts.
To continue this conversation with myself, the most recent XKCD seems to directly address this subject:
This article crossed my desk about how the populace handled a quake in Alaska vs. how the authorities thought they would handle it:
www.commentarymagazine.com
Add to that, part of an interview I heard on NPR's 1A today. They pointed out that shaming doesn't work (science proved that) so calling people out for not wearing masks or going to the beach wasn't helpful. And that all or nothing advice like abstinence or stay home completely doesn't work and that they should have come up with guidance that accommodated people taking some risks (like go meet Gramma outdoors and stay six feet apart).
Elite Panic vs. the Resilient Populace
North America’s strongest recorded earthquake struck just off the Alaskan coast at 5:36 p.m., on March 27, 1964. The shaking from the magnitude 9.2 quake lasted an unimaginable four and
www.commentarymagazine.com
Add to that, part of an interview I heard on NPR's 1A today. They pointed out that shaming doesn't work (science proved that) so calling people out for not wearing masks or going to the beach wasn't helpful. And that all or nothing advice like abstinence or stay home completely doesn't work and that they should have come up with guidance that accommodated people taking some risks (like go meet Gramma outdoors and stay six feet apart).
Direct shaming does not work well outside your own social group - they have to care about what you think in the first place for shaming to be effective. That either means they know/care about you, or it has to be on a colossal scale of overall public relations, which only famous people and corporate entities typically care about.
Well, there you run into the fact that the "some risks" are likely too many to flatten the curve. There are times when reality does not bend to petty human concerns.
I think given that actual people have sex despite being taught abstinence, and that actual people went to actual stores without masks (with their whole family half the time), a guidance that lightened up from "stay home or die" to "fine, wear a mask if you go out, and try to keep it brief, infrequent and distant."
We got people in my county arguing that the county judge had no right to issue an order for people to wear masks or be fined and that all the cops were saying, "yeah, we're not gonna enforce that"
Which loops back to the first article. How they enlisted the public's help and the messaging affects the response. To my view, the whole social distancing/flatten the curve banked on the idea that there were going to be rule-breakers. It was never realistic to expect 100% compliance. But getting more people than normal to be careful is what flattens the curve, not crushed it.
So, here you go. Find and cite an instance of official guidance that said "stay home or die" in the US. Please.
The guidance Zardnaar had was more stingent than anywhere in the US. And by his report, folks basically hewed to it, and it worked (He can correct me if that's inaccurate). In the US, official guidance has been to keep unessential businesses closed, not get to gather in large groups, keep social distance, wear masks, minimize your outings when you can, and so on.
Consider this - if the public transportation system in the locality is still running, the official guidance is not "stay home or die".
This discussion of the guidance will not be constructive if the guidance is not described accurately. Hyperbole is exactly what we do not need to understand the dynamic between people and guidance.
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dude, I was being hyperbolic. It's pretty obvious.
The point is, experts are now talking about how not presenting other options to reduce the risk added to quarrantine fatigue (which they mentioned the Atlantic article, here it is):
Quarantine Fatigue Is Real
Instead of an all-or-nothing approach to risk prevention, Americans need a manual on how to have a life in a pandemic.
www.theatlantic.com
I cannot find a link to the 1A interview or I'd include that which would better explain a concept which I can't seem to convey to you. My fault.
Part of the problem in the USA is that we are a strongly individualistic culture, with a relatively low level of trust in government. Those were factors epidemiologists noted in particular boded ill for how America would fare in the pandemic. (I posted a link about that in some of my earliest posts in this thread.)
Simply put, American culture itself undermines some of the strategies that have proven effective in other countries.
Simply put, American culture itself undermines some of the strategies that have proven effective in other countries.
Eltab
Lord of the Hidden Layer
I think the problems with the flu vaccine (trying to hit 5 strains with one bullet, picking the wrong strain, ran out of supply one year) are giving other vaccines a bad rep by association.
The shots I got as a child were known to work and to keep you healthy, not be a best-guess.
My kids started school as the chickenpox vaccine came available. I'm not enthused to push everybody to get one, because I know from personal experience there is a workable (but unpleasant) alternative. But I also won't give anybody grief for putting that in their battery of standard "get my kids ready for school" shots. It's been long enough since introduction that we know the chickenpox shot works and keeps you healthy.
