D&D 5E Shield Master vs Two Weapon Fighting on a rogue

[TrueBagelMan]

Also again Chat is Dead

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Invisibility wears off it makes a target do a saving throw or does an attack roll against them. It stays invisible if it uses the help action.

You can aid a friendly creature in attacking a creature within 5 feet of you. You feint, distract the target, or in some way team up to make your ally's attack more effective.

-PHB
You can't distract an opponent if they can't see you.

 

[DND_Reborn]

You can aid a friendly creature in attacking a creature within 5 feet of you. You feint, distract the target, or in some way team up to make your ally's attack more effective.

-PHB
You can't distract an opponent if they can't see you.

In 5E if a creature or target must be seen, it always specifies as such. For example, under Opportunity Attacks, "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach." and there are numerous spells for examples as well.

Nothing in that says a thing about the creature helping being seen. An invisible creature could actually be more effective if suddenly the opponent hears the sound of someone nearby but doesn't see them! That would certainly fall under the effect of "in some other way team up to make your ally's attack more effective."

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Nothing in that says a thing about the creature helping being seen. An invisible creature could actually be more effective if suddenly the opponent hears the sound of someone nearby but doesn't see them! That would certainly fall under the effect of "in some other way team up to make your ally's attack more effective."

If they can hear it it tells the target the location of the familiar, and they can attack it, all be it at disadvantage. Since an imp has an AC of 13 and 10 hp, even a disadvantaged attack has a good chance of killing it.

 

[DND_Reborn]

If they can hear it it tells the target the location of the familiar, and they can attack it, all be it at disadvantage. Since an imp has an AC of 13 and 10 hp, even a disadvantaged attack has a good chance of killing it.

Sure. But that is certainly a "distraction" that would be considered "help" to the person attacking, wouldn't it?

The target would still know the Imp's location, even if it can't see it. Being invisible in 5E means your are unseen, not that others are unaware of your location, unless you also Hide. (FWIW, I don't completely agree with this, but it is the way it works in 5E... shrug)

 

[NotAYakk]

The imp could just throw rocks at the person they are distracting.

Also, invisible creatures are not subject to OAs. So imps can do flyby help actions.

The imp's location will still be known (lacking hide), but it will at least be out of reach.

 

[DND_Reborn]

The imp could just throw rocks at the person they are distracting.

Also, invisible creatures are not subject to OAs. So imps can do flyby help actions.

The imp's location will still be known (lacking hide), but it will at least be out of reach.

Well, this would make them visible...

Also, you do have to be within 5 feet of the creature you are distracting.

 

[Oofta]

Well, this would make them visible...

Also, you do have to be within 5 feet of the creature you are distracting.

They're probably assuming that helping isn't technically an attack so therefore the imp stays invisible. I'd rule differently as a DM.

 

[NotAYakk]

Well, this would make them visible...

Also, you do have to be within 5 feet of the creature you are distracting.

Ok, dust then. Blow dust in the person's face really annoyingly.

You have to be within 5', but with invisibility you can move in/out of 5' range without provoking.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Ok, dust then. Blow dust in the person's face really annoyingly.

You have to be within 5', but with invisibility you can move in/out of 5' range without provoking.

Just pointing out throwing rocks would be an attack (IMO anyway...).

But, yes, you could have the Imp making a bunch of noise, kicking up dust, or whatever.

Also, the point about being within 5 feet was in response to throwing rocks, not something generally done within 5 feet.

All the Imp has to do is move within 5 feet of the target, use the "Help" action (however the DM or player narrates it), and then move away. It doesn't have to be visible to help. We are all agreeing on that I think.