D&D 5E Spell Versatility is GONE. Rejoice!

[MoonSong]

Oh god yes. At least two Charisma full-casters too many.

I somewhat miss the time when wizard casting was just how arcane magic worked. There was a kind of coherence to it. Bards were really just multiclass wizards in 2E.

You miss the dark times? they were awful...

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Oh god yes. At least two Charisma full-casters too many.

Easy fix for one of those classes. Sorcerers should be Constitution based. I think Warlocks and Bards being Charisma is fine, especially because Sorcerers being Charisma casters is more of a problem than Bards are.

 

[SkidAce]

I let sorcerers (based on theme) choose either Int, Wis, Cha, or Con.

 

[Shadowedeyes]

This point was repeatedly made earlier in the thread, and repeatedly responded to in detail earlier in the thread.

Seems like we're going in circles, with people now just ignoring responses and repeating their positions. I can see why people are bailing on the thread now. This isn't a conversation anymore it seems. Which isn't your fault as it's a thread with nearly 450 posts at this point. I am just saying it seems whatever people were going to say on this topic has been said.

I looked back and found the response to the point, which I did miss previously admittedly. I don't necessarily agree with the response, but regardless it has been addressed.

 

[MoonSong]

Easy fix for one of those classes. Sorcerers should be Constitution based. I think Warlocks and Bards being Charisma is fine, especially because Sorcerers being Charisma casters is more of a problem than Bards are.

Nah, I don't feel like doing that. Specially since the problem is Wizards.

 

[Lanefan]

Specially since the problem is Wizards.

How so?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Easy fix for one of those classes. Sorcerers should be Constitution based. I think Warlocks and Bards being Charisma is fine, especially because Sorcerers being Charisma casters is more of a problem than Bards are.

I like making Bards Int casters, personally. Warlocks too. I’d probably make both have the choice on the PC side, if a player wanted to.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I like making Bards Int casters, personally. Warlocks too. I’d probably make both have the choice on the PC side, if a player wanted to.

I'd have Warlocks stay Charisma casters, as it makes sense for a class based around making pacts with otherworldly entities to need to be persuasive and have a smooth tongue.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I'd have Warlocks stay Charisma casters, as it makes sense for a class based around making pacts with otherworldly entities to need to be persuasive and have a smooth tongue.

Eh, I get that but I disagree. I think the 5e warlock missed some opportunities, but either way I see the warlock as a delver into secrets, which speaks to Int.

 

[Asisreo]

Eh, I get that but I disagree. I think the 5e warlock missed some opportunities, but either way I see the warlock as a delver into secrets, which speaks to Int.

Interesting, I always thought of Wizards as that type. In my imagination, Warlocks are rarely ever striving for their power, its all incidental or even accidental.